Suno probably puts out better music than most folks who take up music. I mean statistically it has to, right? So once we go with "suno doesn't make music" then we also have to progress to "99 percent of human musicians don't make music", and all us amateur hacks will start objecting lol
replyIt’s not about it being “better”. It’s not music, it’s sound.
replyMusic is made by a human
Music is what gives people joy. If people get joy from factory like lounge records in the 50s or an AI generated "chill" playlist, then its good. For most music, people don't give a shit who or what created it. Its different when someone goes out to see a band yes, but not when they are listening to mood music etc.
replyOnly in the same narrow way that a camera makes better art than a painter. Or the idea that a generic landscape print is better than a Rothko, because it looks more like other paintings that you like to look at.
replyThe camera just records reality, its by definition sort of neutral artistically speaking, its what it records that matters. Its quite different from this AI music thing, and I would consider it a very difficult task to discuss topics with someone trying to pretend it isn't.
replyFragile egos. Someone in one of these AI threads mentioned the three great blows to human narcissism. I loved that. Modern AI is the fourth one. This ones so bad otherwise reasonable people are regressing to naked magical supernaturalism.
replyExactly. The point of a painting is not to reproduce reality. The camera is good at reproducing reality (better than 99% of painters!), but the camera doesn't make art.
replyIn the same way, Suno can produce music-like audio very well. It doesn't produce music. It may be possible for somebody wielding Suno to produce music, but the average use of it certainly isn't it. It's certainly worse at producing music than almost any musician.
It can churn out muzak like no tomorrow, though, same as ChatGPT can render you barely-tolerable images of any art style you ask for.
How many "musicians" can play through even a basic song like Transilvanian Hunger, a dirt simple 3-4 chord song? There comes a point when people let their anti AI psychosis get to the point when they start stating obviously and absurdly insane stuff, like how a music generation app that makes decent quality music is "not music" or worse than atrocious crap most learners and amateur musicians vomit out.
replyThat's up to consumers to decide.
replyConsumers have, overall, rejected AI "art".
replyBut of course, every time consumers voice their preferences is actually "a loud minority" or an "echo chamber" :)
Consumers have rejected AI art when they are aware it's AI art. With how it's been flooding the platforms, most people listening to algorithmic mixes have likely unknowingly been exposed to AI-generated music.
replyIt's already prevalent in gyms, restaurants, etc too. I can tell because I know what I'm listening for, but the average person isn't thinking anything of it. It certainly passes for serviceable background music.
If the consumers had criticality they’d be people, not consumers, and we wouldn’t have marketing the way we do now.
replyAnd computer-generated code is not code? ;)
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