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by drnick118 hours ago |
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upvoteby BobaFloutist18 hours ago|
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>It's out of the question in most places, it slows car traffic down

If you actually make a sufficiently high-quality bike network to convince people to bike that would otherwise drive, I would expect this to speed car traffic up by taking a lot of cars off the road.

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upvoteby esikich17 hours ago|
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Not everywhere is San Francisco. Where I live, it's below freezing almost half the year. No one wants to add bike lanes that will only get lightly used 3 months a year.
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upvoteby astral_drama16 hours ago|
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I bike 9 to 10 months out of the year in southern Wisconsin. It would do people well to get outside and spend less time on their screens in the Winter.
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upvoteby deadbunny14 hours ago|
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Scandinavia, The Netherlands, London, Paris. Great for cycling, shit weather.

Buy a coat and some gloves.

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upvoteby esikich10 hours ago|
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No one wants to. Great plan you have.
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upvoteby prmoustache11 hours ago|
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Have you ever heard of Oulu, Finland?
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upvoteby esikich10 hours ago|
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Have you ever heard of the sprawling Midwest?
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upvoteby asdff1 hours ago|
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So what? People bike there. They make products for winter cycling commuting. They don’t sell them to people in miami after all. There is a market evidently.

And then, so what about the lane? Drive all you want it doesn’t affect you, other than lessening the risk you kill a cyclist or someone you know dies riding a bike.

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upvoteby keiferski17 hours ago|
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Denmark has excellent bike infrastructure and terrible weather.
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upvoteby drnick112 hours ago|
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NO

I like the comfort of my car too much to freeze my ass on a bike. Cities were built around the vision of economic prosperity and a car for everyone, and they should stay that way.

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upvoteby tim33326 minutes ago|
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Depends where you are but bikes are actually kind of fun. It doesn't mean you can't have cars. I have both but bikes are more practical around central London at any rate.
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upvoteby asdff1 hours ago|
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Then don’t? How come every bike lane thread has these annoying people assuming a bike lane means a gun goes to the head and forces you on a bike. Keep driving if you want. Doesn’t matter. But why fight a bike lane when it doesn’t affect your life at all, I will never understand.
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upvoteby prmoustache3 hours ago|
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> I like the comfort of my car too much to freeze my ass on a bike.

you usually don't get cold when cycling. If anything you are warming up.

> Cities were built around the vision of economic prosperity and a car for everyone,

That is a false statement. Most cities predate the existence of cars for a start.

Also economic prosperity is unrelated to cars. If anything cars are a financial burden for most people and people buy them because they feel they are forced to need them, not because they want them. This is the antithesis of prosperity.

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upvoteby convolvatron10 hours ago|
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for me prosperity implies not spending a big chunk of my day trapped in a metal box with no way to get out. are you really saying that everyone except a couple freaks like me would rather fight traffic and sit on your ass than take nice walk? to the degree that we shouldn't even be allowed to have little pockets where driving isn't the only modality?

the US is huge, and its all car all the time. you have thousands of options of where to live like that - I have like 5. and you think I shouldn't even have that.

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upvoteby AlexandrB18 hours ago|
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This is very geography/climate dependent though. There are conditions where most people would not bike regardless of how high quality the bike network is.
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upvoteby esposm0317 hours ago|
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The effect is a lot less pronounced that you might expect. See, for example, this video talking about Oulu, Finland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
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upvoteby BobaFloutist17 hours ago|
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Are these conditions that typically can't be found in the Netherlands?

I guess heavy snow isn't too common there, maybe if we plowed the bike paths? Ok, now I'm getting distracted imagining a bike-path-plow, it would presumably be mounted on a powered bike of some sort, or maybe on those little parking enforcement trikes.

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upvoteby crote3 hours ago|
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Bidirectional dedicated bike paths are usually at least car-sized. They will fit a regular plow just fine. Monodirectional bike lanes usually lack separation from the rest of the road, so they get plowed for free as a side-effect of plowing the car lane.
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upvoteby hutattedonmyarm18 minutes ago|
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In the city where I live (which is _usually_ pretty bike friendly) the plow moves the snow from the car lanes onto the bike lanes a lot of the time :/
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upvoteby alexanderchr6 hours ago|
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In Scandinavia they have an army of tiny tractors for this purpose:

https://cykelmagasinet.se/facit-finns-nu-sopsaltade-cykelvag...

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upvoteby asdff1 hours ago|
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So what? On nice days you get a safer way to bike. Why are people in favor of more risk of death to others?
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upvoteby deadbunny14 hours ago|
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Buy a coat and a pair of gloves. You're not made of sugar.
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upvoteby kube-system17 hours ago|
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It's a self-fulfilling situation. It's that way only because those places have designed their infrastructure to be car dependent.

The opposite is also true: If you take a place where people primarily walk and bike, and take out the sidewalks and bike lanes to widen the road, people will also be pissed.

All you're pointing out is that humans are resistant to change. We already know that is true. The question is not whether people don't like change, the question is: which is better urban planning? What is a better environment to live in?

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upvoteby hocusPokeUs18 hours ago|
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There should be more friction added to car travel. More walkable neighborhoods with local business around the corner would pop up right where people are if the norm wasn't "everyone make endless individual trips to Walmart."

So stupid all the suburbanites blocking my driveway to come eat at nice restaurants because all they have out there is fast food; such a huge waste of resources

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upvoteby keiferski18 hours ago|
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Eliminating parking on a single street is hardly a death sentence for nearby businesses.

And the whole idea is to encourage biking, ergo less parking is a good thing.

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upvoteby jandrese17 hours ago|
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It's absolutely impossible everywhere except where it has been tried and works great. Car centric design is a poor match for dense urban development and reverting the city to be more transit and pedestrian focused almost always improves the situation, bringing more people to shops and restaurants and revitalizing previously moribund downtown districts.
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upvoteby platevoltage13 hours ago|
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Cool. Leave your car somewhere else.
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