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> They don't last any longer than incandescent in fact they have much shorter lifetimes.

The leds do, but the "low-quality" electronic drivers do not and die first. Often well before the advertised lifespan.

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They don't last any longer than incandescent in fact they have much shorter lifetimes.

Tell that to my 10 year old Philipps Hue lights. I wonder if there is some other quality at work that would explain the difference...

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Average lifetime of my Philips bulbs is ~ 8 months before they develop the 'flicker of death'... at roughly $7/bulb I might as well go back to black market incandescents.
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