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You're disagreement with the outcomes of studies, does not mean there is widespread corruption. Rent controls, are just obviously awful things, and the data supports this. You create a lottery system, and disincentivize capital creating more supply causing a supply constraint raising prices in the long term. Minimum Wage being set to $X means prices must raise to allow that increased cost, or they will cut the position. A job a business would be willing to pay $5 an hour for gets cut when the minimum wage is $15 an hour, and just have 1 person do the work of 3. Many grocery store jobs that people used to be able to get at 13 or 14 have disappeared with the higher minimum wage for example. Taxing the rich lowers the velocity of money, disincentivizes capital to search for more profit seeking enterprises.
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>Minimum Wage being set to $X means prices must raise to allow that increased cost, or they will cut the position. A job a business would be willing to pay $5 an hour for gets cut when the minimum wage is $15 an hour, and just have 1 person do the work of 3. Many grocery store jobs that people used to be able to get at 13 or 14 have disappeared with the higher minimum wage for example

What actually happens is that profit margins get hammered (notice how you forgot about those? you were supposed to) and those businesses that rely upon minimum waged labor complain bitterly.

Very low margin businesses do raise prices but in the study I saw that looked at profit margins ans prices only two examples of price raising from a survey of about 50 were, like, nail salons and catering.

In the well designed studies where they measure job losses they found essentially negligible job losses. These studies caused a lot of drama in the economics community - a lot of them acted like they'd been told that their god didn't exist. It was replicated though.

Some other studies say "look! restaurants go out of business when the minimum wage is hiked! job losses!" but neglect to mention that when restaurant A goes out of business and is replaced with restaurant B (which is what often happens), servers and cooks just switch jobs.

The whinging manifests as money piled into lobbying and public outreach to prevent this type of thing from happening again and the result of that public outreach is how you formulated your opinion about what happens and why you forgot that, for example, profits can also decrease when price goes up.

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Economics is a noisy subject where you would expect some studies to get plain incorrect results, and lots of them to be incapable of measuring their object. Even by no fault of economists at all.

That said, your 3 examples are very well studied, and rent controls are completely different from taxing the rich and hiking the minimum wage.

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My point is that we should be able to distinguish between the studies that are dubious and the studies that are solid but go against out assumptions. And if our assumptions are that that economists are just protecting corporations, we'll end up rejecting claims that might be true, and end up with policies that sound like they protect the little guy but are actually harmful.
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It's not that simple. Every study takes assumptions, simplifies things and is limited by the range of real life conditions the authors know about. It's also influenced by the economic doctrines everyone learns in college and most never question after, because they're often presented as laws of nature.

I think the most common "mistake" is that most economists are used to thinking about money in absolute terms, but in real life it's a lot more useful to treat prices as a percentage of your income. That means the utility of money is not linear, so redistribution is good by itself unless it hurts growth so much that average incomes start going down in real terms.

The other one is way deeper and harder to fix but I don't think a lot of people actually believe it, they just use it implicitly in their research. It's that the goal of economics is to maximize efficiency (measured by ROI = profits), not to deliver the best outcomes for the greatest amount of people.

From this point of view a platform like Doordash is efficient because they underpay workers and overcharge customers, and so are surveillance data brokers. That's clearly not a perspective that gets us into a better society. But measuring quality of life is much harder than taking two numbers every company is legally required to count.

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> measuring quality of life is much harder

I always found the question “what is a good life?” to be one of the most interesting and consequential philosophical questions. People have found very different answers for this over the millennia.

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Sure, ideally you should dig deep. I did that on a lot of the minimum wage papers and discovered just how deceptive and misleading they were trying to be - mostly using carefully crafted data and assumptions which were patently unrealistic. Sometimes they would smother those wrong assumptions with incredibly elaborate math.

Not everyone has the time, energy or patience to do that though. Journalists certainly don't and the general public is more inclined to be drawn in by a nice clickbaity story that makes them feel smarter than their friends (which is the market segment freakonomics services).

Point being if you were to make an assumption, "pop economist says that popular thing thing that is bad for profits is bad for you too is probably bullshit" is actually a fairly safe one.

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Can you share your research, because a lot of what you say goes against common sense and empirical data we have available. You seem to be very adamant that you are right, but with nothing but your word for it.
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Let's hike the minimum wage to one million USD an hour, then!
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The first thousand USD/mo a person earns has a different meaning to them than the second thousand, and the third thousand, and so on with diminishing returns. The point of minimum wage should be that no one is constantly fighting for their life, because a person in that situation is usually a harm to everyone.
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The point of minimum wage should be that people can only be exploited to a certain level by their circumstances and requirement for food and shelter.

There is of course still a black market

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In the gastro industry it’s extremely common (at least in my country) to be employed illegally (as in cash in hand directly).

Most restaurants you go to to eat would have to close if they needed to employ their workers legally. Same thing applies to bars and similar venues.

Source: worked in that industry 10+ years

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Compensation for work comes in the forms of money, working environment, flexibility, etc.

A minimum wage is a ban on certain baskets of compensation for work.

It doesn't prevent 'exploitation', whatever that means. Companies fiercely competing for labour is what you want here.

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>A minimum wage is a ban on certain baskets of compensation for work

No, it's not.

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Granted. But that means that there are negative effects to at least some hikes of the minimum wage. So now the discussion can be had about what the effects are and when which effects kick in and how much.
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we could just gradually keep hiking it until it starts impacting employment and then stop.

stage 1 is it hammers profit margins <-- for 95% of businesses we are here.

Stage 2 is then it increases prices <-- only affects very low margin businesses which are a small minority.

Stage 3 is it triggers job losses <-- to my knowledge it's never been raised high enough to make this happen. maybe $50 / hour would be the threshold.

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> stage 1 is it hammers profit margins <-- for 95% of businesses we are here.

Businesses adapt, raise prices and do more automation to keep their margins, which have been remarkable stable if you look back. The losers are consumers and workers, because everything costs more and salaries don't rise as fast.

> Stage 2 is then it increases prices <-- only affects very low margin businesses which are a small minority.

Every mom and pop shop is a low margin business. Most business are low margin, only a few have a really high margins, the ones we all know and talk about.

>Stage 3 is it triggers job losses <-- to my knowledge it's never been raised high enough to make this happen. maybe $50 / hour would be the threshold.

I can only recommend you expanding your knowledge. It's like saying why do we need car seats for babies, because when we were younger we didn't have them and did just fine. Of course those that didn't make it aren't here to tell their story.

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Taxing the rich seems like an example where you’re obviously correct.

I’m more skeptical of the minimum wage one, I think the details there matter a lot, and raising the minimum wage too much too fast can indeed be worse for just about everyone.

But rent control? Really?

It’s also interesting to me how a certain segment of the political persuasion simply cannot resist the allure of price controls, and no amount of data or historical experience seems to convince them that it’s generally a bad idea.

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> Taxing the rich seems like an example where you’re obviously correct.

Really, can you at least provide some napkin calculations to see the cons and pros? Some countries have tried it, notably France. It backfired as expected and they had to revert.

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