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It takes 116 seconds to process 43 input tokens and produce an answer to a very simple request (translation). That's pretty unusable, to be honest. Is overthinking a trait of DeepSeek, or it's a low quantization issue?

For comparison, the whole thing takes 1.8 sec on my RTX 6000 rig with GLM5.3-Flash, and 12.5 seconds on my RTX 5090 rig with Qwen 3.6 27b (it overthinks too, unlike GLM).

I can't imagine waiting 2 minutes for each small turn. It's like... 1 coding task per night? Sounds like, as an engineer, I can accomplish more in that time if I did everything myself manually without any AI.

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This seems great. I have 128GB of unified RAM and a AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395 that I can use but I feel I'm still not using it as well as I could...

The main/best setup I have running so far is qwen flash next with halogen-server.

But if anyone knows if and how one can run even more impressive stuff, please let me know!

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I use lemonade llama.cpp with a 2-bit quant of DeepseekV4F 0731 that runs at about 15 tokens a second. I use it as my "smol" model in omp, with default going to OpenCode hosted Deepseek (faster inference).

I haven't done work lately on Dwarf Star. I got it running a few weeks ago and had my agent make a couple of modifications to it to get it running, but it wasn't materially better than my lemonade setup. I might revisit after this post, though!

https://github.com/lemonade-sdk/llamacpp-rocm

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I've switched from halogen to gufo a while ago: https://github.com/gufo-org/gufo It's OSS and I think it's faster.
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I have a 128GB M5 and while I adore the fact that I can run this as well as it does, I would not consider it fast.

The happy spot for these is for long running closed loop tasks where I’m stepping away for the evening. It doesn’t matter as much if it finishes in 1 hour or 10 hours as long as it’s done by morning.

For tasks where I’m sitting at my desk, it’s not yet where I’d consider it comfortable to use.

I do think this groundwork is going to be awesome come M7, M8 and so on.

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Also https://github.com/drawthingsai/local-code-community pretty stable around 30 tok/s during decode on 128GiB RAM of M5 (with ~56GiB RAM usage), prefill is around 400 tok/s with 4k chunk.
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I've recently set up Ollama on my homelab server, which is a Topton N17 micro-ATX motherboard with a Ryzen 7 7840HS and 64 GiB of DDR5 RAM. It's no AMD Strix Halo, but it's a laptop CPU with a fairly beefy GPU and a decent amount of memory bandwidth.

I've had decent results with gemma4:26b (although it's more like batch processing when used as a coding agent) and my experience so far is globally in line with the first two sections of the ARCHITECTURE.md: fast with small contexts but performance degrades fast as its size increases. If the rest of the contents of that document are true, I'll need to retune my setup from scratch.

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Try using llama.cpp directly and tune it for your hardware. I had gemma 26b a3b running at 400-500t/s prefill and 40ish t/s generation speed with a RTX A3000 GPU with only 4.5GB free VRAM. A better model than gemma itself may help you tube the parameters. Gemma wasn't that helpful in that respect.
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Try strata. I’m not sure how well it handles igpus but if it does i’m pretty sure that system will go screaming fast
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That video seems to show it takes ~4 seconds to process 43 input tokens. Considering the amount of tokens coding-agents chew through, even when just exploring and not even implementing anything, feels far away from "acceptably fast". Say one file is 500 tokens (small file), it'd take ~a minute just to process it?

You mention "See later in the reply for the prefill at ~300 t/s" but I didn't see that in the video nor in any of the Twitter replies, could you link where that is supposed to be happening? Is that warm context perchance?

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43 tokens is a tiny input context when compared with anything agentic. Prefill on SSD streaming is proportionally much faster with larger contexts, because expert loads can be reused across tokens and the engine can also opt to preload entire model layers into memory, without waiting for the outcome of expert routing.
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all my local models do just fine (128GB Strix Halo, 72GB Blackwell) loading data. I'm not sure you were sold the right bill of goods for "agentic" work. I keep these things busy via mind power for a few hours, then get exhausted.

So I implenented a task queue so when I do have all the ideas, I can just set them to work, and "chew" through the work.

I get that you can concievably get 100 agents to do something interesting, but 99% of my work doesn't seem to need to divine naiver stokes.

Other than that, you might just have a skill issue if you rely so heavily of spinning up a bunch of agents to tell you what the next TODO item is.

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Ironically, local models are much more efficient when running multiple parallel agents, provided that KV storage requirements are not excessive (not an issue with DeepSeek 4.1 Flash). It does not make any individual agent faster, but it does raise overall throughput quite a bit. The limit is then set by compute constraints rather than memory bandwidth, so something like DGX Spark or AMD Strix/Gorgon Halo can be expected to do better than the Apple-based alternative.
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> 128GB Strix Halo, 72GB Blackwell

Lol yeah of course, that's not the Apple hardware showcased in the video. Sure, my 6000 Pro also does 11K in prompt processing, but my comment wasn't generally about local models, I thought that was obvious.

> I get that you can concievably get 100 agents to do something interesting

Uuh, OK, cool. Let those vibesloppers do that process if they'd like to, I think most professional software developers already found that process to produce slop and not production-worthy software, so we continue with our process that produce code of quality instead of aiming to produce as much as possible.

> Other than that, you might just have a skill issue if you rely so heavily of spinning up a bunch of agents to tell you what the next TODO item is.

Huh? Where are you getting this from? Where did I say anything of the sorts?

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