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Which is exactly why I compared sonnet 4.6 at the end there. They have similar intelligence scores.
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Qwen3.8-Flash-Next is closer to Haiku than Sonnet in my experience.

Yes I know what the benchmarks say. It does not reflect my experience.

You’re also comparing benchmarks for the full model, but then telling people to run IQ3_S. I found the IQ3_S model to be a substantial step down from 4-6 bit quants.

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Fair criticisms. If it's comparable with haiku, that's $13/day or 47 days til break-even (again, assuming I have my system generating tokens 24/7 - which I do not).

> You’re also comparing benchmarks for the full model

I wish there were more concrete ways to judge the difference. I've spent a bunch of time using 3 and 4 bit versions of qwen 27b, and my conclusion was that the lower qaunt made more mistakes - but that both systems were able to recover from those mistakes in a coding context. I'm not sure if that holds across the board, but that's the best answer I have so far.

It's also unclear if anthropic always serves you f16 versions of their models. My friends who use claude a lot complain about intelligence that varies from day to day - but that's entirely anecdotal.

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Compare it to deepseek flash or glm. Those are far more capable and far cheaper. Or compare it to a hosted version of the same model. The math becomes much harder to justify when you compare apples to apples.

If all you do is generate tokens all day, sure, host your own infra. For people that aren’t maxing out hardware, using someone else’s is a pretty economical option. $20 with deepseek flash gets you a LOT of agentic use, and as the frontier moves forward with new models, so do I.

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GLM5.3 costs $1.40/M on openrouter. 5.2M tokens per day is $7.28/day, which makes break-even take 83 days.

But let's compare apples to almost-apples! Qwen3.8 flash next is $0.47/M on openrouter, so $2.44 per day, so 246 days to break even. I say almost-apples because on this $600 system we're running an IQ3_S quantization. The hosted model is running... nobody knows what quant. It probably varies bases on the time of day.

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