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I think it's likely to be 0-2: just de-risking in a program still characterized as testing; or at least I understand it to still be thought of as a test program.

I can absolutely see not wanting to change too many variables while they're working out the full, targeted flight profile. I can also see, with sufficient confidence, that they'd make the line between test/production a bit fuzzy with carrying production payloads rather than mass simulators. Trade-offs... not much else to say.

For Starlink v3, I could absolutely see them delaying production starts until the capability to actually deliver them was closer to reality without regard to backlogs and schedule delays: why tie up capital in satellites sitting in a warehouse? Especially if you're also improving designs, adjusting those designs for new realities/tech/etc. getting ahead of that game would (my gut feeling) have more costs than benefits.

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The derisking argument seems unlikely. They're either putting $30M of extra satellites at risk, or guaranteeing the loss of ~$10-15M worth of launch capacity by letting it go unused. If the satellites are that cheap, that would suggest a very low confidence in their rockets that isn't really warranted. (Granted, the value of that launch capacity is probably less once they get Starship actually operational).
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It seems reasonable to me.

Getting the Starship back is of huge value of them, and one of the main things that would stop that would be to lose enough engines that you don't make it to orbit. There's some payload number that lets you make it to orbit with, say, 2 engines failing to start - and beyond that, you just lose control of the vehicle all the time so it doesn't matter.

Assuming the payload is low enough value, it makes sense to fill it up as far as you can without lowering the probability of success unrealistically.

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> the loss of ~$10-15M worth of launch capacity by letting it go unused

What is the production rate of these birds?

If you have a 50/50 chance of success now and a 25% chance a month later, and you can't replace the lost birds in production in that interval, it makes sense to hedge irrespective of production cost.

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I'll pick 0, 1, 5, and

6) Starlink v3 is itself new and nearly untested. Launching a lot of v3.00 models, then discovering that they really need to be upgraded to v3.01 to fix various hardware issues, is not a win.

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>6) Starlink v3 is itself new and nearly untested. Launching a lot of v3.00 models, then discovering that they really need to be upgraded to v3.01 to fix various hardware issues, is not a win.

Yes, and that could also tie back into #4:

>Starlink v3 manufacturing is delayed and they don't have enough units, which I find doubtful given Starship is years late and they should have a backlog of v3s waiting to launch

This assumes that a delay isn't completely purposeful. Technology and their experience with Starlink has continued to advance over those years of delay, it's not like they simply stopped iterating with Starlink v2, they just couldn't do everything or put all the pieces together in one package due to size/mass. But I'd be unsurprised if they took advantage of those extra years to keep working on it. They've proven they can ramp Starlink production easily, it's not clear they'd have any reason to produce some big backlog and have it sitting in a warehouse. Seems better to tie it closely to Starship's dev cycle so they end up launching current stuff, not sats that have been sitting around and are now years old already. They can ramp v3 Starlink production alongside Starship.

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>Launching only 26 Starlink v3 satellites is a disappointingly small number. That's about ~52t

Which makes it the third heaviest orbital payload in all of history.

Funny thing to be disappointed about.

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I'm excited at the prospect of Starship landing on the moon. 100T payloads are maybe not required to make it happen, but probably are. For those of us who care about Artemis IV happening on schedule, being disappointed in a 52t payload capacity is very straightforward.

I'm not excited about more Starlink satellites.

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Starlink payloads are the literally the path to making Starship human spaceflight ready. Starship has to launch dozens to hundreds of times to identify and fix low probability failures. Without frequent Starlink flights testing and debugging the vehicle, it would take far longer to build a safe and reliable Starship.

They're also highly profitable, and fund/subsidize future missions. Recall, Starship development was funded by Starlink.

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The company is built around Golden Dome, not Moon/Mars

Ask your favorite AI about Michael D. Griffin and Pete Worden and their connection to SpaceX

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100T payloads are not even remotely required.

The other moon lander NASA is going forward with has a tiny fraction of that, and there are plenty of people who think it’s better.

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Launching at only half payload capacity is disappointing. Starlink is severely capacity constrained, SpaceX needs to get as many v3 sats as they can into orbit, instead of flying partial loads.
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They are testing, learning and evolving the program, and they’re doing it in public so we’re lucky enough to get some inside tech details.

It continues to improve. Be patient.

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I'm completely aware. But this is the third flight in a row with a half payload. If this trend continues, it's not a good sign for Starship block 3's performance capabilities.
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“If this trend continues” about Falcon 1. About Falcon 9 landings, about Falcon 9 reuse, about starlink capacity, about starship launching at all, about the heat shield, about the catch, about the towers, about drone ship landings…….

That has been the narrative about every single step spacex has ever taken.

And you know what the trend is?

They are kicking fucking ass. Annihilating old space and the writing the game one incremental win at a time.

Yes, the trend is incredibly good.

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If Starship succeeds, that will be about half an hour's worth of launch capacity in the early 30s.
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I'm fully aware. But Starlink is blocked by today's Starship launch cadence and payload capacity. Pointing out Starship could handle this payload 5 years in the future isn't helpful.

All of Starlink's future ambitions are blocked by today's Starship.

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If you assume Starship is a clusterfuck, it all makes sense. They will be able to meet their promised payload capacity after maybe the fifth full redesign of their engines.
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dude, it was literally the first orbit launch

be glad it wasn't mass simulators

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Which is not what I'm discussing here. The second orbital launch will also be 26 satellites.
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