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All the human engineers will be in harnesses in the future.

Within three years most software developer jobs will consist of taking instruction from the AI systems. The humans won't see it that way, but that's what it will actually be. Realistically the thing that will happen is the humans will be put into harnesses (cubicles) and prompted by the AI (I need you to plug that server in; I need you to give me access to such and such; now do this, then do that). Most tech jobs will consist of AI telling the human what the AI needs the human to do next, de facto the human will be in a harness and will be getting told what to do.

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Not only will the humans-as-meat-puppets model be used for software engineers, but it is likely the way that agentic workflows will expand beyond software development, data science, and mathematics.

I first heard about this in Marshall Brain's short story _Manna_ [1]. In the story, the robot takeover started with AI management software running fast food restaurants, where workers would execute tasks the AI would narrate to them over headsets.

I bet we're pretty close to being able to implement this.

1. https://web.archive.org/web/20260725174355/https://marshallb...

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What's the point at which humans decide that the economic gains aren't worth it?

This year alone, a lot of people have been complaining of how unsatisfying their job has become. I imagine this will keep getting worse, not better.

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People need to eat. Unless there is UBI/UHI, there is no point at which humans can opt out of society (with some exceptions, of course).

If the claimed productivity gains turn out to be correct, we really should have UBI/UHI in the future, and that will permit a lot of people who hate their jobs to quit. Of course we won't do that until things become dire.

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You frame it as if humans have no control over societal organization at all. If everyone's job became 50% less interesting, I imagine we'd see unrest, even if the wages got a bit better.
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Maybe I'm cynical, but I believe that the VAST majority of people are already unhappy with their jobs. In fact, the vast majority of people have been unhappy with their jobs for hundreds of years - probably thousands. They don't do them because they are happy to work. They do them because they want to eat.

Is there some kind of breaking point? There is for everyone, but I don't think satisfaction is the red line. For most people it has historically been things like pay and health and safety. If everyone were to suddenly have their pay cut in half, I could see that resulting in general unrest.

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While I don't fully understand the mechanics of it, people do revolutions from time to time. People can decide that they don't want the current system, and try to reorganize themselves in a different manner. And who doesn't agree might get burned in the revolutionary flames. It happened many times before in human history, including several times in the US (independence, civil war, and to lower degree universal suffrage etc.)
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I still see errors in AI output on a daily basis.
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Can I ask what kind of work, and what models? Because I don't, I'm a senior embedded engineer working with frontier models, and I haven't seen a major mistake in at least few months now, since earlier in the year.

It will sometimes get things wrong because it made non-viable assumptions, but that's on me and prompt accuracy.

What I see is: it makes tests against desired features or bugs or mistakes, and iterates until it gets it correct. I steer as it goes.

(I hate this, by the way, zero job enjoyment anymore, but I don't know what else to do.)

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Yes but we see errors in human output too.
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A human can be fired, or put on a PIP, and is otherwise responsible for their output.

An algorithm isn’t. I still dunno how they’re gonna square that circle.

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How many humans do you need to keep around as scapegoats concurrently? I figure one with a CEO title should be enough.
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They will square it by pointing out, correctly, that AI is getting better while humans are not.

The state of the art doesn't matter. Only the first couple of time derivatives matter.

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Sure but humans aren’t being billed as “superintelligence”
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Exactly. It will now be your job to catch those errors. Or else.
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Code review, qa, staging, product review, dog fooding… what do you mean “now”? It’s always been all of our jobs to catch all of our errors. We’re just including the AI’s errors now hoping that the overlap of everyone’s errors is sufficiently small.
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Why would there be a human in this imagined system at all?
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> Why would there be a human in this imagined system at all?

in the imagined system above it requires physical acts that an llm can not do, if we go further than the above imagined system and make robots to perform these task for the llm a human still is needed for maintenance for these robots and their assembly, once there are robots for maintaining the llm assistant robots, humans are still needed to maintain the maintenance robots and so on and so forth. I dont see an end point where a robot machine system is fully self healing without atleast a few humans in the mix to correct when there is a breakage in the chain

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The ownership will want humans to punish, humans to trust, humans to manipulate, and humans that can be fired. They'll want a human physically present, representing them as oversight over the AI (a job the capital doesn't want to be doing 24/7). There are serious legal matters involved in high functioning AI systems (and that will dramatically increase over the coming decade), the capital will be extremely worried about liability issues. Human scapegoats are ideal. For now capital will want human style consequence-feedback systems for a tier of human oversight over the AI. It'll probably take a full generation before the capital controlling humans forget / give up on the old systems fully.

It's also worth noting that it's far easier at present to press a human into doing something highly illegal than it is to get Claude or GPT to do so.

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Isn't this what driving a car has become as well? Google Maps says "take the 3rd exit", and the dumb human takes the 3rd exit.
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But who gives it the intial prompt as to what to do?

Someone has to type in "create the next billboard top 1 single" ?

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If you take Daniel Schmachtenberger's thesis, these models are the latest extension of an ongoing misaligned moloch-like entity, using our institutions/economy/corporations, etc. as its organelles. All powered, most recently, by fossil fuel.
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The ownership class, the capital class - whatever people prefer to call it, will still call all the shots as they always have, and always will.

So whether that's a CEO at the top instructing a human manager that then instructs AI systems, which then put into motion plans that include the harnessed humans getting prompted, or however it's decided to best configure the top operational tiers - that's all fairly irrelevant ultimately. All human labor, and all AI labor, will be in harnesses. Realistically all human labor has always been in a harness.

The people in charge will be the people that control the capital. They will instruct the AI to their bidding, they will control the data centers the AI lives in, they will own the robots doing the labor in factories, they will own the factories, they will control the grid, they will control the electricity generation, et al.

It's true now, it'll be true tomorrow. Nothing fundamental will shift at that tier: don't be labor, own.

If you're a software developer, you're increasingly depreciating labor. Every unit of improvement the AI systems see, the average human software developer's labor value diminishes. It's diminishing extraordinarily fast, kind of like a confrontation between increasingly productive machines and physical human labor during the industrial revolution. You might as well picture a human with a hand plow taking on a modern industrial tractor.

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I like to think of capital itself as possessing actancy - the ultra rich are just the closest to the raw thing, and its most powerful servants.
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the product owner/manager
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We dont need product owners, we need product engineers.
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"Maximize my share of the economy", from one of the leaders of a frontier lab, should probably be enough.
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It'll be Sam Altman "make people love me, fan out humans".
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> We've sort of entered this twilight zone where most humans don't have the time, expertise, or moral compass to be able to use these models.

Sounds a bit like self aggrandizing elitism to me. I can imagine some self aggrandizing nerds saying the same thing 50 years ago:

> We've sort of entered this twilight zone where most humans don't have the time, expertise, or moral compass to be able to use these IBM PCs.

Now everyone use computer.

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> Now everyone use computer.

I tend to agree with this. Seems to me that people really start to miss what happened when PC became comodity. A lot of people were scared that they would lose their jobs because of it, and some really did lose job. But in majority there are a lot of people today who doesn't use PC even if it would be beneficial for their job and they still have the job. Bigger players (companies who have more money) will tend more to automate their processes and thus earn more money so I think HN is in some sort of bubble because we only think our jobs are the only ones that exist

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We're all harness engineers already
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We will likely end up as more of a sloperator than a harness engineer.
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> We're all going to be harness engineers in the future

No, that will be the model's job. We will largely be unemployed. Of course, we can surely depend on the largesse of Altman and Amodei to keep us fed and sheltered.

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I've been hearing this claim of imminent unemployment for 3+ years now and yet employment levels are as high as ever.
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Almost every engineer I know has had downsizing/restructuring in the past 6 months at their companies.
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And the frontier labs themselves are hiring a ton.
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> We're all going to be harness engineers in the future.

Lolwut. If this shit works the way it's boosters claim, humans will have absolutely nothing to contribute.

Sit down, shut up, and get out of the way, because your involvement is slowing shit down.

Robotics are lagging, so there's probably a few years where we're going to need humans to crawl into that awkward space under the counter and twist some knobs, or to clean toilets.

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