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I have no patience or sympathy for the Elseviers and Disneys of the world, and I agree the endless copyright extensions are terrible, but multiple things can be bad at once. Tearing down a bad system doesn't guarantee a better outcome will result. Even if we accept that those systems need drastic reform, the billions of authors, artists, musicians, programmers, and creators of all stripes still deserve more than just the pride and satisfaction of having made AI companies rich.

I'm also not arguing that siloing is good, only that it's a rational reaction. Creators are uncomfortable having their work used that way and have to protect themselves against scrapers driving up their hosting costs. Other businesses quite reasonably want a share of all the money flowing around. People got tired of the wolves eating their sheep, so they built barns and fences and trained dogs.

If we want to stop the siloing, we need to address the what's causing people to resort to it.

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I agree with your conclusion, but it looks like our views of “what’s causing it” are exact opposites. We made it 30,000 years with creators having “just the pride of creation”. I’m deeply skeptical that the IP monetization regime of the past 100 years is the natural state of things.
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We made it 30,000 years without AI scrapers being able to forcibly extract money from creators’ wallets by using swarms of bots to drive up their hosting costs.
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we made it 30,000 years with the best known creators having guilds, royal patronage, or inheritances.
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Which is all fine and dandy, but the scrapers aren't looting IP for the public good, they're looting it so they can make a profit. It's the class of people and organizations who were already benefitting from broken copyright ignoring the rules themselves, to the detriment of the countless individuals who kept our creativity going.
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It's ok to be paid while spreading knowledge!

Universities do it, Google search does it, broadcasters do it.

The only place that doesn't really do it is public libraries, which are all subsidized either by governments or donations.

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That's all well and good, until the theft and spread of knowledge leaves you permanently unemployed.

Because agents can do labor this is more than just "knowledge sharing". It undercuts human labor power and allows for even grosser concentration of capital.

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The intent of the people who built the railroad across America was to seek profit. So too for most of the important vaccines (shout out to Jonas Salk though, absolute mensch who chose not to). Same for many technologies. That doesn’t change the fact that there were massive benefits to millions of others from having those things exist.

Just because AI companies have profit motives doesn’t mean it isn’t cool as heck that some poor kid with a burner Android phone can use a free ChatGPT account to learn about any topic they want.

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> they're looting it so they can make a profit

If they're making a profit, it means they're providing a value to customers. In the case of LLM - the value is reducing the friction of accessing knowledge. The knowledge was there all along, but the friction of access too great to generate surplus value.

It is backwards thinking to propose that we are worse off by enabling access to knowledge.

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You can justify any manner of unethical behavior if your bar for ethics is "they're making a profit"
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If they are making a profit.

But that's right, the side effect is that it reduced friction. The most benefit I get from LLMs when I treat them as search engines.

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>If they're making a profit, it means they're providing a value to customers.

Like Alaric, Temujin, Teach, and Burham!

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And apparently this draconian copyright law was no problem for decades when it protected the business interests of large corporations.

But now that it's individual creators that need protection suddenly copyright law needs to be reformed to serve the interests of large corporations once more. What a scam.

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You know what will fix all this corporate greed overzealously enforcing intellectual property laws? An equal amount of corporate greed brazenly violating intellectual property laws!

To put it visually:

         selfless humans | corpo greed
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  enforce IP    good ____|____ bad
  violate IP   better    |     bad
ie the valence regarding intellectual property is irrelevant for this kind of motivation.
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Besides the copyrights there is also the matter of the techbros DDOS'ing the entire web with unthrottled scrapers. Aaron Swartz was prosecuted for that but nobody shook a finger at the bros.
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