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https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestr...

And after that three months suspension BS drama Tim just got back to work on Python. Saintly.

btw. made me stop having a favourite programming language.

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I sometimes wonder if people-who-think-of-solving-problems-not-creating-them-defensively should secede from the rest of the Internet.

They can keep the tools & remix new ones with LLMs. The rest of us can hang out in some tiny corner talking civilly.

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Post-George Floyd up until Donald Trump was elected, which is when this happened, was peak of this performative bullshit. Like renaming master to main or changing the the name of blacklists and whitelists would end racism, when all this language policing did was make people quietly resentful and was one factor in the backlash that followed.
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I came to quote this very article. This raised my eyebrows a lot when I originally read it. I always thought that DEVELOPING A DAMN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE is inherently apolitical and strongly meritocratic endeavor. Boy, how naive I was...
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We are naive when we think, as we all do at times, that humans in our <group> differ from the others - that we have no politics or biases and aren't affected by those things, and we form some just, meritocratic ideal.

When we find ourselvees thinking that, then we are part of the status quo - the system is designed to suit us. It's very easy to think that status quo is the entire universe; just keep doing what you're doing. Instead, to avoid perpetuating the bad aspects of the system, it's essential to curiously and closely look for its boundaries, look outside it, notice the humans out there who are not being served, who may express unhappiness.

Take them at their word; they may seem absurd, but that's your human response to someone violating norms - the norms being the status quo. Their expression may include being disruptive or unpleasant. 'Disrupt' means 'violate the status quo'; it shows you the status quo's limitations.

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No, it's just entryism. It's not inevitable. Long march. I was naive once, too.
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That isn’t a fair statement to make
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How so? Did he stand up for him?
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How cowardly that he doesn't even mention that here.
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You people seems to care a lot more than about this event that Tim Peters ever did.

It looks like you (plural) bring it up only to push your political agenda against Woke or whatever.. while people are mourning and I find it frankly distasteful and an insult to his memory.

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Doesn't take a lot of care to post a one sentence comment. But I get it, it would be preferable to "you people" (to point your phrase back at you) to memory-hole those times.
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I don't know.

This whole episode certainly reflects very badly on PSF SC. But it is not a very glorious event of Peters' life either, and it feels better to just not uselessly stir the pot in a way that makes Peters not look good.

(and again, to be clear, PSF SC looks even worse, but of course the point is to remember Peters for what he was, not to profit of his passing to score points against PSF SC)

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(I said you people because I replied to your comment but I was responding to multiple people at once who said similar thing)

Regardless of who was wrong or right, is it the way you would like to be eulogy written about you? bonoboTP was such a nice person and helped so many person and here is a myriad of example to prove how. All that said, I will remind everyone he had a fight a few years ago with some people he worked with and there were not very nice to him. It is just but a pebble in a long fruitful life, but it is really important I mention it here to remind everyone CoC = bad

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