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> In a market in which two companies are competitors, and one takes the former approach and one takes the latter, which company do you think will still be around in ten or twenty years?

That is an argument of faith (that companies where employees work longer survive more than companies that optimise differently), and I am not convinced it is supported by evidence.

One could argue that all other things being equal, companies with employees doing more hours are more productive (even though I seriously doubt that, there are diminishing returns very quickly). But then I would argue that if a company drives their employees harder, there are leadership and management issues, so other things are not equal. And this is associated with younger workers (adaptable: good, inexperienced: less good), high turn-over (so, long-term information retention issues) and lower worker satisfaction (so the whole thing is self-defeating in the long term).

Besides, there are many, many factors involved that have nothing to with with working time. Again, leadership, strategy, operations, marketing, personal connections, dumb luck…

Personally I think there is an optimum somewhere, and at some point you get more out of your workers by making them more invested and motivated than making them work longer.

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If we got rid of some of the greed and gave the workers a taste then maybe?

But everywhere I have seen people overworked has terrible morale and low productivity in spite of the hours.

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This isn't entirely true, or we'd all still be working 80hrs like factory workers at the start of the industrial revolution.

I think it also remains to be proven that the company that works their employees the hardest will necessarily outcompete the others.

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The 40 hour work week was the result of strikes and legal maneuvering by unions that led to labor protection laws in the early 1900s. Otherwise we would likely still be working those 80 hour weeks (alongside our kids).

It’s not necessary that the longer hours actually translate into productivity, just that the boss feels like it should.

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And the fact that the strikes had a chance was largely due to improving conditions including, among other things, a working legal system that made it harder to flat out kill strikers.

Well, good organizing, too.

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The answer is obviously that an overseer (i.e. the state) must enforce a floor to avoid a race to the bottom, because that argument implies then why not work 14 hours, 6 days a week. Like safety laws enforcing a common standard so companies are not out-competed by ditching safety measures, labour laws are also part of keeping the playing field fair in an competition economy.

Yet after 100 years of explosive technological growth we still have the labouring hours of the 1930s...

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You can also curb greed with extremely high taxes at the top. We did it after the Great Depression, top marginal tax rate was something like 90% over 10 mm per annum.

The result was that business owners invested in their workers and long term health of their business so it would continue to give them 10 mm per year instead of trying to cash everything out every 1/4.

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