Same impression here. If this is Google's strategy we'll have to migrate to Luna, because costs are already high for our workload on 3.8 Flash (which in itself was already a 40% increase compared to 3.7 flash due to being more verbose and thinking more) and this now doubles cost once again.
replyYeah, and they rug-pulled 3.7 very quickly, silently redirecting to 3.8 Flash. Raised our prices and broke some workflows.
replyYeah they fuckin did
replyIsn't something open weight cheaper (and probably better as well)?
replyDepends on your needs. Gemini Flash has best bang for your buck on visual tasks and best multilingual support/intelligence for non-Western/non-East-Asian languages; better than paid or OSS alternatives.
replyYes I gave for granted textual tasks but they're not the only ones. If I remember correctly, mistral large should be good as well on image tasks while being cheap(er). I never had to do anything with less common languages tho
replyAccording to Artificial Analysis, it's much cheaper per task than 3.8 flash, 3$ for H xhigh vs 6-7$ for 3.8 medium-high. I don't understand how though, since AA says it has more output tokens per task.
replyHi there - AA employee here. This is due to 3.8 Flash having a much lower cache hit rate compared to Gemini 4 Hydrogen
replysorry if this is a dumb question, but how is this possible? what can cause the cache hit rate to change just by changing the model?
replyIn the Gemini app it's replaced Flash. Lite is still there.
replyBut that's an old model, and if they replace it they have no smaller element to use for it's name. I guess it would have to be Hydrogen Light.
replyQuark/Neutrino/Axion/Tachyon.
replyI suppose they could name it proton or hydron.
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replyThe fact that there is still a flash lite dropdown in Gemini points to them keeping the flash lite model family.
replyIsn't Flash-lite or related model the one used for AI summary in Google Search?
replySo all models will be named after elements except Flash Light? Or maybe the next version will be named Hydrogen Light?
replyGemini Electron?
reply> considerably higher than what anyone is paying today for 3.8 Flash or 3.5 Flash Lite or the deprecated 3.0/2.x Gemini models
replyIt's cheaper than the last Pro models.