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As a parent of two young boys, I am seriously confused in what values I should teach them. I am defaulting to traditionally "good" values because that's how I was raised and all I know. But there's a part of me that feels my kids will be at a disadvantage when they grow up, if they carry my values.
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religion used to promise a heaven for those who did good, and hell for those who do evil

life taught me that living well grants you admission to heaven here while you're alive, while committing things society still considers sin makes you live through hell right here on earth

cant imagine how much better/worse it gets if theres more after death

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nah even ignoring religion, there was this story of if you work hard study hard listen to your parents and your teachers and people of authority you will generally wind up more-or-less okay (not rich! just _okay_, and that's okay).
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its the ability to pass down stories which made us the ?best? species

editing seems to be an emergent property :P

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It's not that confusing to be good to people by default,but look out for your self and not be a sucker?

Unless you mean life skills to survive corporate culture. Then you just look out for your self,but give the impression you care lol. None of it's real relationships anyway

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Oh that's the easy part. Those things, I can teach, am teaching, or will teach when the time comes.

No, the hard part is teaching them on how to _actively_ do bad things. To actively seek out people that can be taken advantage, and to actively seek out ways to take advantage of said people. To be in that mindset all the time, so it becomes their nature. i.e. to be a hacker of people and society.

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"A virtue is something that is valuable even if it gives you nothing. A virtue persists without payment or compensation. Positive thinking is great. Vital. Useful. But it has to remain so even if it gets you nothing. Belief, truth, honor … if these exist only to get you something, you’ve missed the storming point." - Kaldin Stormblessed

As a parent of two young boys I've had the same concerns, but I would rather have them grow up to be men of virtue in poverty that can go to bed at night with a clear conscience than the most powerful man in the world without integrity.

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I take this to mean my negative-karma comments are at least virtuous
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This does crack me up though...

I've got a friend, who is on SSDI due to mental and physical health issues. And yes, they are real. I've known this friend for 20 years, they are a good person, but they have serious challenges integrating into society between past trauma and the MH/PH problems.

Her sister often 'borrows'[0] from her food stamps or SSDI income to pay for her own shit. Her sister's husband gets a new car every 1-2 years, charges his wife (the sister) and their daughter rent every month, and votes in a specific way because 'people are scamming away our tax dollars'.

IOW, "You're right but it's curious to look at the people who think that and how they pose"

[0] - Often without properly repaying

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Please report this to the attorney general.

The money for those payments is taken from me, from all taxpayers, under threat of violence from the government.

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