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Not everyone knows who geohot is and even if they do they may not see the url handle. They may (like me) think why is a glorified shower thought tweet on top of HN.

They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example. This could really make them decide not to even spend too much time thinking about the passage which in theory is profound for 10 seconds but no further.

As much as ad hominem attacks are not great approaches, the one scenario I feel it's justified is in cases like this.

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> They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example.

Why are we supposed to care about that? There was a time when "masks do not work" was very much the conventional wisdom.

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Masks didn't work for people needing an immediate cure, but it was never that, it always was a multiplier, and even an multiplier with only 30% efficiency would translate to 4x reduction in spread through 4 levels.

And that reduction was there to give healthcare workers a chance to not be overwhelmed as they were for a large part of the initial pandemic.

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There was literally never a time where mainstream medical advice was "masks do nothing".
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Conventional for whom?
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I might be misremembering, but I think the WHO claimed this at some point?

It was obvious nonsense, and did not comfort me as I watched an avoidable catastrophe become, day by day, an unavoidable one; politicians caring more about pacifying the populace with platitudes than about taking measures to render SARS-CoV-2 extinct in the wild – measures which would have been several orders of magnitude cheaper than the extended pandemic lockdowns, disabilities and trauma, loss of life, and now a new disabling endemic disease we're going to have to fight the hard way, for centuries, until it can finally go the way of smallpox.

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It's so we can definitively identify this person as persona non grata, so we can feel better about ourselves while we break quarantine and contravene public health orders to get clandestine haircuts and attend illegal cross-household parties.

    So you must be careful to do everything they tell you.
    But do not do what they do, for they do not practice
    what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads
    and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they
    themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move
    them.

    Everything they do is done for people to see: They make
    their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their
    garments long; [...]
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Ad hominem attacks are never good approaches. They're irrational in nature. Ad hominem is one of the first fallacies taught in a critical thinking class.
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> Not everyone knows who geohot is

But I guess people can get pretty much to the same conclusion by reading any of the blog post, I had the same idea just by reading the title here

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>They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example

If you're going to ad hominem, at least give a citation.

>As much as ad hominem attacks are not great approaches, the one scenario I feel it's justified

Because reasons?

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what's anti-masker?
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Some people thought that surgical masks wouldn’t stop you from getting Covid
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They didn't. The point is that they stop you from giving covid to other people.
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It's a distinction without a difference. Masks served to reduce the herd from spreading covid. Including other people giving it to you.
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The distinction is important! The mechanism by which surgical masks prevent you from getting COVID-19 is peer pressure: it's important for people to know this, so they know how to protect themselves. (And there are fitted masks that protect the wearer: there was just a shortage of them, because despite all the warnings we were not prepared for a pandemic.)
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You do realise that surgeons don't wear those masks to stop them from catching something right?
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> Some people thought that surgical masks wouldn’t stop you from getting Covid

You do realize that masks would help prevent you from getting covid if other people are wearing the masks, right?

The comment just talked about masks, not whether you are the one wearing the mask.

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Surgical masks don't stop you from getting Covid. That was never what they were for: they were to reduce the viral load you exposed others to, between when you got infected and when you noticed that you were infected. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_mask#Function.

Some cloth masks can (when dry) also trap small particulates through electrostatic interactions, although they are less effective as a mechanical filter than surgical masks; and many washing methods destroy this effect.

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Right, but that still makes the people who refused to wear one selfish assholes.
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Thank God I lived long enough to forget COVID-era terms.
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I'm taking, Covid-era anti-masker (?)
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You must be new here.

But seriously, I think the level of discourse has gone down considerably on HN in the last few years. I know people always say this in their forum but I think it's true.

For instance, you'll see a post about GPT. Top comments are often "I use Claude", completely irrelevant. And then when [political thing happens] you get these passive-aggressive submissions with a lot of upvotes "how to switch to Claude". It's all just so exhausting. Constantly this moral grand-standing. Here is an example:

> I switched not because I thought Claude was better at doing the things I want. I switched because I have come to believe OpenAI are a bad actor and I do not want to support them in any way. I’m pretty sure they would allow AGI to be used for truly evil purposes, and the events of this week have only convinced me further.

Sir, this is a Wendy's

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I almost posted this exact comment. You're not alone in thinking HN has changed for the worse in recent years.

I get that it's just a reflection of cultural change and (over)reactions to anything adding friction. But for a forum dedicated to the "hacker" lifestyle, it's disappointing to see so much gatekeeping and FUD. I really wish this audience could start swinging back towards a response style that contains nuance and recognizes nuance.

I find myself opening this site less and less each week.

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It feels like the quality of reddit collapsed over the last decade and a lot of the reddit style posting has come over here. Especially the examples above. To be fair both the good and the bad.

The upvoting for political tribalism (whole political spectrum) is so truly mind bogglingly unintelligent and unoriginal. Its just brings the bar down.

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This forum was never dedicated to the hacker lifestyle, it has always been run by profit seeking investor classes.
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