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I've heard this a lot on HN over the years but it doesn't make much sense to me. Some thoughts:

1. App tabs improves UX for 99.999% of users who aren't using a WM with a good tab solution (if one even exists).

2. WM tabs means launching a new app instance for every tab you might want vs having lightweight app tabs.

3. App tabs can do all sorts of app-level things and UX polish that dumb WM tabs can't do because they are so general. My terminal emulator tabs show a badge count of bell notifications, can be dragged around into groups, or dragging into other tabs as split panes. My browser tabs show you which tab is playing music and can impl right click -> mute.

4. I bet even the biggest WM tab cheerleader still uses browser tabs.

5. WM tabs are a different concern than app tabs, not a replacement. WM tabs are useful when you want tabs and the app doesn't provide a good tab metaphor or when you want to tile/group app instances a certain way. That doesn't mean it's not useful for the app instances themselves to have app tabs when it makes sense.

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I like to manage tabs and windows through tmux and it suits my workflow very well. What are you going to do now?
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Are there any good, non-tiling window managers that support tabs? (I struggle with tiling ones like i3 because I am a small-brained mouse user)
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Fluxbox has tabs and is a stacking window manager.

- https://fluxbox.org/features/

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I mean, macOS supports tabs now. I wouldn't call it "good" though.
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Yes, we need tabs for RDR2 and Spotify.
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I would love tabs for Spotify. I just discovered I can at least open new windows from the linux YouTube music client by middle clicking, a revelation !
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Every application (or concept) can introduce “tabs”, but it means something wildly different for that particular application. Tabs (or instances) in an application immediately bumps into the concept of state (statefull vs stateless) in applications.

Sometimes, it makes perfect sense. The reason tabs made sense for web browsers since 2004 is because each web page could be thought of as a “stateless” instance of an application. You’re not asking for “tabs”, you wish every application could be “Stateless”. Stateless is a beautiful thing, until you understand what state is, and who needs to manage it.

If every “tab” of Spotify had no idea what the other “tab” is playing and you had to switch back and forth between tabs to pause-and-play songs, that would be a bug, not a feature. While 2 “windows” playing audio (if you instruct them to) is expected.

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> Tabs (or instances) in an application immediately bumps into the concept of state (statefull vs stateless) in applications.

Agreed, and this is why tabs need to work at the app level, not window manager/os level.

That said, for Spotify specifically, it can already tell what I'm playing on an entirely different device. I think they can handle tabs.

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