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by longislandguido6 hours ago |
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upvoteby kstrauser6 hours ago|
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Please, by all means do post a link to a comparable new Windows laptop for $400, including a fast GPU, reasonable amount of fast storage (and not counting an SD card or such), a high-DPI monitor, and non-embarassing build quality. I'd love to see this.
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upvoteby chocochunks6 hours ago|
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The GPU in the Neo isn't particularly fast...nor is the storage. Neo makes loads of compromises to hit $600 with some of it's features. Even for $400 you can get Windows PCs with TWO whole USB 3.0 ports. $400 quickly hits diminishing returns territory.

Like here's a $500 PC:

https://www.amazon.com/Aspire-Copilot-WUXGA-Display-Processo... https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-14-AI-review-Basic...

Twice the storage, twice the RAM, comparable GPU. CPU is a slower in single core, but comparable in multi-core. Faster storage. USB 4, HDMI, multiple USB A ports. Supports more than 1 external monitor. Yep, chassis and screen are worse but it's better in many other ways.

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upvoteby kstrauser5 hours ago|
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So for $100 less, you get a markedly lower-DPI screen that's 40% dimmer, a slower CPU, hotter running, and a worse chassis. Almost no one's going to be slapping multiple external monitors on either of these. If they did, they might run into the problem where the Acer is often limited to 640x480: https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/733442/have-a-new-a...

That is not remotely in the same category as the Neo.

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upvoteby chocochunks5 hours ago|
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You get twice as much RAM, twice as much storage. 4x faster storage too. You get a full sized HDMI port. You can do multiple monitors if you need to. It has a fan for better sustained performance. You can plug in a flash drive, mouse, monitor or other external peripheral without a dongle. Oh, and it's actually COOLER running than the Neo.

The Neo costs a $100 more, needs a $30 dongle to connect to 90% of the stuff people have, has half the RAM, half the storage, slower storage. Has considerably worse I/O. But has a better screen and build quality comparable to a MacBook Pro from 2007.

It's different compromises. Personally I'd rather have more RAM, storage and IO than a prettier case and better screen.

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upvoteby janalsncm5 hours ago|
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You don’t need to buy Apple adapters. You can buy a $10 usbc to hdmi adapter off Amazon and it’ll work just fine.

Same thing with the USB A ports. Not really selling point imo.

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upvoteby chocochunks4 hours ago|
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Apple's official HDMI adapter is $70. I was already talking generic.
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upvoteby kstrauser4 hours ago|
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Or just use a Thunderbolt cable to send video, power, and USB to a newer monitor with a single cord. That’s my work setup and I’d never go back.

And yeah, USB A? I got a cheapo C-to-A hub for my dwindling number of legacy devices. There’s no remaining upside to A.

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upvoteby chocochunks4 hours ago|
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On the Neo that doesn't support Thunderbolt? Or on the Acer that supports USB4 and might actually work with the hub?

It's a weird choice to pair with a budget laptop since monitors that support that are usually several dollars extra...

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upvoteby underlipton58 minutes ago|
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Can we please not have The Verge-tier PC/Mac slap fights on HN. Thanks.
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upvoteby philistine5 hours ago|
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You're proving the point. The computer you found wins on the specs page for sure. But the proof is in the pudding; Apple makes money hand over fist because they focus on reasonable specs, and quality. The thing that kills a modern laptop is not a slow CPU or RAM on the chip; it's a cheap chassis that breaks. That's what makes people change their computer.
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upvoteby chocochunks5 hours ago|
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Apple wins on the perception of being a luxury brand. That's it.
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upvoteby janalsncm5 hours ago|
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It’s not just about perception. Apple doesn’t load your computer up with crapware and ads from the five different companies in the supply chain.

They got away with it forever because at $600 there was no competition.

I would say it’s more that Microsoft will make your $600 feel cheap, Apple will make it feel respectable.

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upvoteby autoexec2 hours ago|
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> Apple doesn’t load your computer up with crapware and ads from the five different companies in the supply chain.

No apple prefers to have a monopoly on ads and crapware but they're still there. The internet is filled with annoyed apple customers who want to debloat their systems:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254337272

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/414682/how-can-i-r...

https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/articles/5gb-pure-bloatware-apple-...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-debloating-thread...

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upvoteby kstrauser2 hours ago|
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You didn't read any of those, did you. They're asking about things like, literally: How can I delete the Chess app? How do I disable Spotlight? How do I remove Siri?

Those are not in any way comparable to ads or Candy Crush in the start menu.

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upvoteby autoexec1 hours ago|
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What is the difference between a chess app and a candy crush app exactly? They are both "Games I didn't ask for, but were preinstalled"

Ads aren't as intrusive or annoying on a mac yet, but they aren't not intrusive or annoying either (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/256235494)

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upvoteby fsflover1 hours ago|
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I now assume that all ads on Apple news are scams (kirkville.com)

1178 points by cdrnsf 49 days ago | 564 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46911901

Apple testing new App Store design that blurs the line between ads and results (9to5mac.com)

618 points by ksec 67 days ago | 514 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46680974

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46463180

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46325114

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upvoteby gopher_space3 hours ago|
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I have thirty years worth of old laptops in a closet. The macs all have hinges that still work.

It’s nice to own things designed to not fall apart after a few years.

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upvoteby kstrauser5 hours ago|
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That, and having a machine at this price point that people aren’t horrified to use.
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upvoteby chocochunks5 hours ago|
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What makes it horrifying? Plastic? Is the only thing that's important the material it's made out of? I think there's many use cases where the Acer would be less horrifying to use than the Neo. Which device would be better for running a Linux VM for CS class homework for example?
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upvoteby kotaKat5 hours ago|
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Hypervisor.framework on the Mac, personally.
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upvoteby chocochunks5 hours ago|
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With half the RAM?
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upvoteby ryandrake3 hours ago|
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A vanishingly small number of end users (both PC and Mac) care about how much RAM they have. I'd be willing to bet that at least 75% of PC and Mac laptop owners couldn't even tell you how much RAM they have, or they mistake hard disk storage for RAM or vice versa.
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upvoteby yourusername5 hours ago|
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The screen is also much worse. 60% SRGB coverage 1920x1200 300 nits vs 97% 2408x1506 500 nits. I'd pick the macbook neo for $99 extra.
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upvoteby thrawa83873363 hours ago|
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Should be at least 4X the RAM and 4X CPU cores, just to run Windows at a comparable speed.
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upvoteby goldenarm6 hours ago|
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The specs may be comparable, but not the end result : my $2000 Windows 11 laptop is slower and laggier than the Neo.
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upvoteby gamblor9561 hours ago|
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You must have some broken hardware.

My $600 2022 corporate laptop is faster and smoother than a $600 Neo, and that's with the corporate spyware crap installed.

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upvoteby Vasbarlog1 hours ago|
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I had a Dell Latitude 7320 from 2022 as a corporate laptop. New it costed well over $2000. It was thermal throttling like crazy and it was even worse when I was on calls. It’s battery wouldn’t last more than an hour and even when you put it to sleep the fan would keep spinning. It would take more than 15 to restart and another 10 for most of the apps to open. It was literally unusable. Meanwhile my M1 MacBook from 2020 is still going strong.
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upvoteby chocochunks5 hours ago|
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Is it your personal or corporate PC with corporate junk on it?
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upvoteby goldenarm4 hours ago|
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Personal PC. Fresh install from the official ISO with the least bloatware. It's still a nightmare.
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upvoteby kstrauser5 hours ago|
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So… the contention is that Windows isn’t good for work use? That’s not a compelling argument in its favor.
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upvoteby chocochunks4 hours ago|
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No, the contention is that corporate junk has a tendency to slow down PCs and equivalent software would do the same to the Neo or worse.
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upvoteby kstrauser4 hours ago|
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Huh, guess I’ve never worked at a Mac shop big enough to suffer Mac-ruining software. My biggest shop only had about 15,000 employees, so maybe it’s only the large companies enduring that.
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upvoteby bombcar6 hours ago|
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Can you recommend a Windows laptop in the $400 range? I'm interested in a craptop for various Windows things that still pop up from time to time.
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upvoteby ahartmetz3 hours ago|
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Used T model Thinkpad probably? That's the least original advice you're going to get if you ask a bunch of nerds, and these guys know their computers ;)
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upvoteby internet1010105 hours ago|
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You are right about the first part but I think you're overestimating the number of people that see Apple products as status symbols. Maybe that was true a decade ago but I don't think it is anymore. Enough of the products have found their way to every country imaginable over time that an Apple laptop is... just another laptop.

A fun, brightly colored, relatively inexpensive, Windows-less laptop that you can use for doing your taxes while watching a movie has appeal. The performance isn't that important, so long as it is as responsive as the owner's phone.

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upvoteby DauntingPear72 hours ago|
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People do see a high quality build laptop as a status symbol or a piece of luxury. Not having keyboard flex or general creaks really makes a laptop more enjoyable to use.
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