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All of them are really, REALLY bad.
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Bad by whose definition? They work really well in my experience. They aren't perfect but the amount of hand holding has gone down dramatically and you can fix any glaring problems with a code review at the end. I work on a multimillion line code base which does not use any popular frameworks and it does a great job. I may be benefiting from the fact that the codebase is open source and all models have obviously been trained on it.
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It takes 10 seconds for Gemini CLI to load. 10 seconds to show an input field. This is for a CLI program.

For comparison, it takes me less time to load Chrome and go to gemini.google.com.

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At least Gemini and Claude constantly break down with scrolling in various Linux terminals, something which was solved by countless TUIs decades ago.

I think a lot of the people prasing Claude & co are on Macs.

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I haven't seen the scrolling glitch in months, where previously it was happening multiple times a day. Also haven't seen anyone complain about it in quite some time. Pretty sure they have resolved that.
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Most of their issues have been solved a long time ago, with 1000x less code. It is depressing at this point. I really had no clue IT was in the shitters this much. I knew it was theatrical but I had no idea that it was by this much.
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> Claude Code's 500k LOC doesn't seem out of the ordinary.

Aren't all the other products also vibe-coded? "All vibe-coded products look like this" doesn't really seem to answer the question "Why is it so damn large?"

It's a repl, that calls out to a blackbox/endpoint for data, and does basic parsing and matching of state with specific actions.

I feel the bulk of those lines should be actions that are performed. Either this is correct or this is not:

1. If the bulk of those lines implement specific and simple actions, why is it so large compared to other software that implements single actions (coreutils, etc)

2. If the actions constitute only a small part of the codebase, wtf is the rest of it doing?

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You're complaining about vibe coding while also complaining about how you "feel" about the code. Do you see the irony in that?
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>> I feel the bulk of those lines should be actions that are performed. Either this is correct or this is not:

> You're complaining about vibe coding while also complaining about how you "feel" about the code. Do you see the irony in that?

Where did I complain about how I feel about the actual code? I have feelings, negative ones, about the size of the code given the simple functionality it has, but I have no feelings on the code because I did not look at the code.

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Are you ESL by any chance? You’re missing the forest for the trees.
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