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Yeas ago I motorcycled a lot, all over the world. I escalated to an air horn and hi-viz. But I pretty quickly realized that these made no tangible difference to the behavior of larger vehicle drivers. So I ended up for later vehicles with a stock horn and hi-viz only for heavy rain.

These days our family cycles a lot for commuting. It’s really easy to observe that people in vehicles treat us far better if we look like humans, wearing normal street clothes, rather than wearing high-viz or, far worse, cycling gear.

The bike bell is for polite notice, not alarming. The best alarm system you have is your voice, which is variable volume and tone. For ultimate effect slap the panels of cars, as it is very loud inside the vehicle.

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Sadly I had to kick a few cars that thought they could run me off my motorcycle. Worked every time. All of them didn't look out the window or they would have looked right into my face. Yelling and horn did absolutely nothing.

Most of them were extremely apologetic or even shocked (as if I appeared from thin air). None of them were angry for scratching their door. Some people are just lost in thought it seems...

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Be careful with your ears! (And those of others)

A unexpected loud noise recently caused me to get tinnitus and hyperacusis, and trust me, you don't want either of them!

You know a diagnose is bad when Wikipedia lists suicidal thoughts as a common side effect....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperacusis

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I want to see a bike with a train horn. Cars do it all the time. [1][2][3][4] illegal and highly satisfying

People have used drills+pumps to drive similar hand-held horns at football games so it is doable.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOKgg5iCw_c

[2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enF0m6J7g2w [Tiny car with train horn]

[3] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w31s5NsoOyg

[4] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLfD1AFsb1I

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Oh yeah... the good old 3 or 4 tone "train" honrs from Cadillacs

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/are-you-tired-of-your-wi...

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When I was commuting 60k/day on my bike in shitty suburban conditions, I used one of these instead - you get limited use per trip, but you can always fill it up with a CO2 cylinder/bike pump:

https://www.hpvelotechnik.com/en/recumbent-trikes-bikes/acce...

It is loud.

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That’s a crappy pressure vessel holding 350ml of 80psi air, for about 100J of stored energy. I’m not entirely sure I’d be comfortable with that, especially anywhere with my face in the line of fire it it fails.
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Your bike already has two crappy 80psi pressure vessels, why not three?
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Those two pressure vessels are highly engineered and are wrapped with materials with pretty good tensile strength. Also, they’re made out of materials (fabric and rubber) that absorb a decent amount of energy when they tear and that don’t fragment. And the whole assembly usually depressurizes slowly.

Having personally blown up beverage bottles by overpressurizing them (be very very careful doing this!), when they go, they go violently.

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I've blown up beverage bottles for fun. Hooking an air compressor to a 2L bottle and exploding it makes a satisfyingly loud boom.

*We had a valve on the air line so we could be at a safe distance when pressurizing. Be very careful. It's unpredictable exactly at which point they'll blow. Sometimes they hold full pressure for a couple seconds and then go.*

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i like to use dry ice for pressure, make sure you have a gun to shoot it if it doesn't go off
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It's a soda bottle - it fits in your water bottle holder, and you can replace it for a couple of bucks if it fails. 80 psi is pretty low pressure (typical narrow tires are 100-120) and the bottle itself is very low mass, so the fabric around the bottle should ensure safety if it bursts.

IIRC these came out in the early-mid 90s; a bike messenger trick at the time was to fasten the horn to your handlebars with velcro, so you could take it off and hold it near a car window when triggering it.

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I suppose I should maybe not worry about 80 psi so much. An ordinary bottle of soda on a moderately warm day is around 80psi. The energy is 1/2 * pressure * head space (roughly), and head space is minimal. But you can chill it in the fridge, then open it and quickly pour out half, then close it and let it warm up, and you may still be near 80 psi, and I’ve never heard of anyone getting maimed by an exploding soda bottle.
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If it fails by blowing the end off toward your face what damage will it do?
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> That’s a crappy pressure vessel

That's a huge assumption, and likely incorrect.

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Good point, but I abused it pretty well and it seemed to do OK - was also in a water bottle holder so closer to the legs than anything.
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> When I was commuting 60k/day on my bike in shitty suburban conditions

Here I thought my 4.5 mile (7.25 km) bike commute was a bit long...

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An hour and a bit each way, took about as much time as public transit and better than a coffee for waking up. A good road bike goes a long way, and the suburbs suck for road sharing but are great for not having to stop at many lights.

The winters were rough though.

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Can confirm, AirZound is great!
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Yeah I had something like this for several years. Works really well for cars
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I wonder if one of those recently-emerging Chinese electric blowers that sub for canned air would generate enough air volume to sound the horn usefully. Possibly not quickly enough.
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I did that, but I used battery - couldn't figure out how to hook up to the e-bike's 50v electrical system (plus the DC-DC converter with high enough current...)

So I am using LiPo 3S, 2200mAh. Works like a charm. I keep it at its storage voltage (3.7-3.8v per cell), and it hardly drained the battery (there is no paracitic drain). Whole thing was like $20.

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I pondered doing that but thought it would agitate other road users so decided against.
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Some locales are downright itching for a reason to road rage so I don’t blame you. One thing I have to say about being a motorcyclist is that our residents in California are so considerate and have never once mistreated me for beeping, lane splitting/filtering, stalling my bike at a green light, etc.
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mm, if i can't get it to work with the dc-dc converter i'll definitely go that route, good idea
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If diy doesn’t work I’ve been using loud bicycle horn and it works great.

https://loudbicycle.com/

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Gah! mini usb instead of USB C. Love the concept but it is remarkable how long bike accessories have been holding out on USBC.
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At least they’re forward about it - I’ve lost count of how many bike accessories claimed to be USB C, but they only charge when connected to their specialized cable that converts from USB A to C.
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Double-sided USB-C connections require a handshake before sending voltage. USB-A ports can have the 5v line active at all times. Cheap USB C gadgets often don't make the handshake, they just use it as a 5V input, necessitating an A to C cable.
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If you add 5.1kΩ pulldown resistors on the CC lines for USB-C, you can get the standard 5V without a handshake although current may be limited by some chargers without negotiation.
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I think you're overstating this. The "handshake" is purely 2 simple resistors correctly installed. The problem is a lot of folks do it wrong for various reasons, most likely never testing with anything more than type a to type c cables.

https://people.kernel.org/bleung/how-to-design-a-proper-usb-...

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One of the many deficiencies of usb-c (who knows what power your cable supports, charger supports, if you accessory will charge, of it will connect at all)
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Interesting. Does UsBC spec/licensing require any sort of notation for products that don’t implement handshake?
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There is no handshake, all that's needed are two 5.1 kΩ pulldown resistors. By omitting them the manufacturer saved all of about 0.1c and made their device incompatible with compliant usb-c chargers.

More info: https://hackaday.com/2023/02/07/all-about-usb-c-manufacturer...

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I’ve got one of these fwiw, and it’s outstanding.
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> I bought a 12v car horn yesterday with the intent of wiring it into my ebike's power supply

Putting an aerosol fog horn (available from boating supply shops) in the bikes water bottle holder is much simpler, louder and more effective.

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And where does your water bottle go then?
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if you ever want an upgrade look into nautilus air horns. I had one on my 250cc Vespa that would clear an intersection.

Needs like 18 amps if that tells you anything.

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for your safety, when people hear a car horn, they’re going to be looking for a car.
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It should make a ring-ring sound but at 120 decibels?
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Ooh, the telephones in the 80s! You should get one of those!
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A motorcycle horn might be a better choice
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I had a digital bell from aliexpress on my winter commuter because pogies on the bars prevented a typical dinger. It was very annoying and very effective; my wife referred to it as "the friend maker".
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on the rare occasions where I need to loudly indicate my presence to a motor vehicle I wouldn't really want to be moving my hands - if I have time to move a hand to a horn I probably have time to brake/manouvre instead.

Generally in those situations I shout really loudly at the driver, and in general they seem to hear me

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> because modern cars are so heavily sound-proofed they don't hear a bicycle bell anymore

Agreed. I had a supercharged V8 Jaguar that I could barely hear.

And my Audi has a system that actually pumps engine noise into the cabin, so you can hear that, but not the outside world.

The Fire Department I was at was looking at "thumpers" - augmentations to sirens that make cars in front of them vibrate (a la those people playing too much bass too loud).

Not just sound proofing, but inattentiveness. I've been behind people on semi-rural quiet roads with my 40,000lb fire engine behind them, lights, sirens, and airhorns, and they've driven for a mile or two completely oblivious.

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Squeeze horns are usually loud enough to be heard by cars in my experience.
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