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git-bug is great but it doesn't handle PRs nor does it have a method for users without commit rights to submit bugs to the project. I know they're working on the latter (something with the web UI?) but until then you still need some kind of public infra for issue management if you want the general public to be able to submit issues.

I use it for my project[0] to keep issues centralized with the repo, but I still use Github Discussions as a pseudo-bug tracker to let random users provide input. If it's a bug I add it to git-bug and sync it to Github issues for public viewing[1], but if you want use bug reports that's not really going to work.

[0] https://github.com/stryan/materia

[1] Ironically I got this workflow idea from ghostty and mise, both of which require users to submit bug reports as discussions first and only generate tagged issues once an actionable bug is determined.

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For me the main issue with git-bug is that they are not dogfooding it. However, it's also one of the few projects that is actually trying to solve the core problem, rather than skirting around it. (well I now learned of radicle in this thread and they seem to store issues in git and even have PR support I think)
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> For me the main issue with git-bug is that they are not dogfooding it.

This is incorrect.

    $ git remote get-url origin
    ssh://git@github.com/git-bug/git-bug.git

    $ for n in bugs identities; do echo "${n} on the remote: " $(git ls-remote origin "refs/${n}/\*" | wc -l); done
    bugs on the remote:  453
    identities on the remote:  311
See the related issue for more info: https://github.com/git-bug/git-bug/issues/1221#issuecomment-...

That said, yes, GitHub is still our source of truth, as our web application does not currently support "guest" access, and there are other platform features that our community uses that we do not currently have support for (e.g. discussions and pull requests). Big changes to the web ui are coming soon, which will help to unlock the ability to do these things.

I've also been in talks with the Radicle team about possible collaboration.

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Oh cool! I've come across git-bug a while ago, glad to see you're using it.

I didn't know git-bug doesn't support PRs yet. I think pull requests should be modeled as a kind of issue. It's an issue with some metadata that points to a commit (and besides the usual issue operations like add new comment or edit a comment, you also have the operation of editing the commit associated with the PR)

If git-bug gains suppport for Github discussions, it should also be able to import discussions from other places like a discourse forum. I think it would be kinda neat for projects that want to be self contained

> I've also been in talks with the Radicle team about possible collaboration.

This is awesome!!

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Glad to hear about the web UI changes, git-bug has been really great for my projects that exist across forges so I look forward to testing it out :)
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Thanks for the kind words!
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Maybe Mitchell will pull a Linus and, out of frustration, take a weekend off to write the distributed infrastructure for issues, PRs, actions, etc. around git.
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Are radicle issues and PRs stored in the Git repository itself, or is it out of band like other forges, with just federation on top?
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Check out Epiq https://github.com/ljtn/epiq

It was born out of frustration and does just that. It is about to go v1 within days.

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The most important part of Linus' project was day -1, when he sliced off all the chunks of work that depend on solving open research problems.

You don't want to start your Saturday morning declaring an _action struct, then filling the rest of the day staring at research papers about the current state of fast homomorphic encryption.

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It was 10 days, but that's fine too.
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There is also epiq, which is a bit more bleeding edge but has a more powerful UI story, being a TUI app, providing an issue board in the terminal:

https://github.com/ljtn/epiq

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Oh that's interesting!

Does it have bidirectional tracking with Github? (if I create or comment on an issue in Github it will be reflected on epiq, and if I create on epiq, some bot will post it to Github). For me this is the key feature.

Also

> The system is designed to assure robustness and uses a number of techniques and design patterns to avoid merge conflicts.

I think the docs should describe this in detail.

Anyway maybe ask him to post this to HN some day!

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Hey! Creator of Epiq here. Epiq is platform agnostic mening that it is doing its own thing and does not connect to github issues. Epiq maintains its own board definition as an immutable (append only) event log, which is synchronized using git.

An integration layer with github issues or other platforms is definitely not unthinkable.

V1 is about to be released in the coming days.

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> I think the docs should describe this in detail.

Thanks for the feedback. I will add a section about that in the readme!

[EDIT] - readme updated with section about event sourcing strategy

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> Other VCSes like fossil store issues alongside the repo. I think it's appropriate because in a sense, issues are part of what gives meaning to the code (like documentation)

I was thinking about fossil in the context of agentic workflows the other day, after seeing a co-worker go all in on sort of shifting themselves to a TPM workflow, using a locally hosted kanban board (inspired by OpenAI's Symphony).

It'd make things easier to have everything shoved into the repo, other than that everything is now shoved in the same repo being handled by the barely constrained chaos monkey that is an LLM coding agent. Locking things down gets hard if it's got access to the whole thing there.

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> Other VCSes like fossil store issues alongside the repo.

Technically the issues in Fossil are part of the repository, along with the wiki, code, forum, etc. They come along with every clone and (mostly) cannot be deleted from the historical record.

Items of Fossil that are merely "alongside" instead of actually in the repository include unversioned files, chatroom content, and users and access controls. (Not an exhaustive list.)

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Even if you only used raw git with GitHub, it still wouldn't work. Pushing changes from my laptop would fail for hours when their SSO would break.
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I didn't know of this, that special ref mechanism sounds really cool! Thanks for the protip
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We've had trouble with git and repo's that have used non standard refs. It's all fine and fancy until we wanted to use some tooling that works with git, except it wouldn't see our unusual refs, and because they were non standard they were effectively hidden unless you knew they were there. So the migration work (almost) silently lost 10+ years of old work that was hiding away under those non standard refs.
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It's definitely time to turn these loose web features into a real program. I don't understand the desire to clone github as a website. It's demonstrably 10,000x more work to maintain github.com than a "github" command.
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