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by jzebedee19 hours ago |
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upvoteby wolfi11 hours ago|
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is there already an av2 encoder for ffmpeg?
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upvoteby jbk22 minutes ago|
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No, since the format is not final.
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upvoteby dirasieb51 minutes ago|
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i don't even own a dgpu capable of encoding av1 and they're already coming out with av2?
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upvoteby 19 hours ago|
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upvoteby delfinom18 hours ago|
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looks at if AV2 is dead in the water

https://www.sisvel.com/insights/av2-is-coming-sisvel-is-prep...

yep

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upvoteby Telaneo18 hours ago|
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They've done the same thing with AV1, and I can't see that having prevented adoption, nor can I imagine Sisvel wanting to poke the bear that is AOMedia unless they're certain their case is absolutely watertight.
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upvoteby walrus0118 hours ago|
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I see zero public evidence that they've filed any lawsuits against the members of AOM in any jurisdiction. I'm sure there's been a lot of threatening letters sent...
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upvoteby jorvi17 hours ago|
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Yup. The Dolby/Disney vs Snapchat lawsuit is going to be the first one. So far it's only been filed.

The big question is if AOMedia is going to make good on their Mutually Assured Destruction promise of using their patent and financial war chest to to countersue into oblivion anyone trying to go after AV1 adaptors.

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upvoteby dmitrygr16 hours ago|
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I would love to live in a world where this happens. I will place big bets that it will, regrettably not happen.
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upvoteby Telaneo18 hours ago|
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Same, which is what makes it seem to me that that case is absolutely not watertight. Those patents are probably all about esoteric minutiae (to be fair, that's because that's what it takes to make a better video codec these days) and everything and anything that can seemingly be connected to AV2 (or AV1 for that matter), many of which have only gotten a patent because the person approving it only barely understands what it's saying.
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upvoteby snvzz3 hours ago|
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The illusion breaks once tested in court.

Which is why they'd never sue, only threaten and try to settle.

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upvoteby ronsor17 hours ago|
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This is a thinly veiled extortion racket and any competent system would fine them into bankruptcy.
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upvoteby mort9616 hours ago|
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We need a more efficient way to eliminate bullshit patents or bullshit patent infringement claims than "violate them then spend millions on lawyers to fight them in court".
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upvoteby WhyNotHugo1 hours ago|
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Eliminate software patents.
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upvoteby brookst16 hours ago|
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Sure, and at the same time we need a more efficient way to ensure big companies can’t just take what they want and bury anyone who complains.

It’s not an easy problem.

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upvoteby voakbasda7 hours ago|
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Stop big companies from ever forming. They are not a natural force that cannot be reckoned with. We allow them to exist. Revoke the charters of any business over 500 employees.
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upvoteby pmontra6 hours ago|
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I can see a number of ways to work around that limitation, without even lobbying and bribing. And I'm not even a lawyer or an accountant.

Eventually all the money and power will converge in a few sub 500, or sub 50, companies and nothing will change.

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upvoteby walrus0118 hours ago|
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Sisvel is a patent troll. Take a look at the combined list of all companies that are the AOM and tell me with a straight face that all of their corporate in house counsel specializing in intellectual property law are wrong.
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upvoteby asveikau17 hours ago|
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I don't know this stuff super well but I imagine it's not necessarily about the lawyers being right or wrong so much as what they can convince people of. The ideal scenario for the patent troll is they can intimidate you into licensing with them. Another good outcome for them (though more costly) is they can convince some non-expert in court. In either case the big players behind the codec can defend themselves but a small one just picking it up downstream as OSS can't.
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upvoteby walrus0117 hours ago|
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I don't doubt for a minute that they are going to attempt to intimidate companies using av1 which are much smaller than the AOM founders.
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upvoteby shmerl11 hours ago|
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Trolls will always be trolls. The need to fight them just shows the need to reform the garbage patent system to make sure no one can ever patent software.
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upvoteby BLKNSLVR15 hours ago|
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You can tell Sisvel are a bunch of grifters by the fact they use slight grey text on a slightly less grey background.

Aesthetics over function; style over substance. If that's their web design policy it's likely their policy in all other aspects.

I'm also not sure that they're aware that intellectual property rights no longer exist in the US. If AV2 was vibe coded, there would be no case.

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upvoteby astrange14 hours ago|
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> If AV2 was vibe coded, there would be no case.

…for copyright. Not for anything else. Patents would still apply.

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upvoteby hulitu4 hours ago|
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> AV2 is the next-generation video coding specification from the Alliance for Open Media

Oh no. Not another one. I presume this one makes lossy better, or faster or both.

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