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upvoteby chvid4 hours ago|
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Or maybe it is a pretty good thing for the American economy that you can get AI at cost rather than monopoly pricing.

You know, for the rest of the economy that is not big tech.

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upvoteby PunchyHamster3 hours ago|
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It's not good for current administration. The American AI growth is only thing that keeps the GDP not looking terrible.

And investor pumping money in US AI circular money flow just makes innovation everywhere else slower. If not for the GPU/Memory drought running stuff locally (or just in competition cloud) would be far cheaper

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upvoteby arvid-lind1 hours ago|
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> It's not good for current administration

I don't know where to begin if you're leading with that. Anything approaching reality is not good for the current administration.

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upvoteby nelox1 hours ago|
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That is the very reason the open source models exist. Prestige and soft power to influence interest away from American models and hopefully slow down their progress.
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upvoteby zozbot2341 hours ago|
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DeepSeek and other Chinese model makers are massively accelerating progress in AI not slowing it down. They're the only ones who still come up with real technical innovations while the proprietary model makers are stagnating.
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upvoteby Sammi59 minutes ago|
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I'm as happy to see cheap open weight models any anyone is, and I'm in Europe and certainly not cheering the US on, but that's a bunch of unfounded hyperbole you just said.
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upvoteby dumbmrblah9 minutes ago|
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That is a petty big assumption (aka bullshit) unless you have direct insight the inner workings of the big US labs. Just because it isn’t published doesn’t mean that innovation is not happening.
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upvoteby zozbot2342 minutes ago|
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That's an unfalsifiable assertion with no evidence to support it, while all the visible evidence we have points to stagnation and merely incremental pushes among the big proprietary model makers. Even Claude Mythos, which was 'teased' to the public but not released, is reportedly mostly a scaled-up model that takes massive compute resources to run (and lengthy agentic loops to achieve its reported results in computer security). The polar opposite of what the Chinese labs are releasing now.
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upvoteby darkoob1258 minutes ago|
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Can you name some tangible AI idea that came out of Chinese labs?

I can name thousands that came out western universities.

I see a lot of rhetoric that only the Chinese labs are contributing to AI while companies like Google and Microsoft are still pulishing their research.

Unfortunately the domain of scientific papers is cluttered with AI slop but still occasional serious paper that i find are from western labs particularly Google Research or Microsoft Research

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upvoteby satvikpendem33 minutes ago|
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Any of DeepSeek's recent papers which are more about efficiency and that's how their inference costs can be so low.
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upvoteby alansaber2 hours ago|
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I appreciate your reply but you are completely glossing over his point about how head to head model evals are useless lmao
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upvoteby rurban3 hours ago|
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They are no way as good as Opus yet. But Sonnet, yes. Using all in real life.
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upvoteby Cookingboy4 hours ago|
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> for American economy.

There is more to American economy than big tech.

And that's precisely why this has started: https://www.wired.com/story/super-pac-backed-by-openai-and-p...

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upvoteby joe_mamba4 hours ago|
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>There is more to American economy than big tech.

Most of the stock market valuation is big-tech, and most of people's retirements are the stock market, so... if the AI bubble bursts a lot of the US will be affected.

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upvoteby coldtea2 hours ago|
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>Most of the stock market valuation is big-tech

Which is why most of it is a bubble

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upvoteby atemerev3 hours ago|
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I do not know why this is downvoted. This is true.
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upvoteby gigatexal2 hours ago|
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Agreed. I upvoted.
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