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by userbinator13 hours ago |
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upvoteby ZenoArrow12 hours ago|
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> I've noticed the anti-AI sentiment is starting to die down.

I've noticed the opposite. Seems that it depends on where you're looking and what you're looking for.

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upvoteby Gamemaster137913 hours ago|
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You say that, but just today I showcased my Megaman X Recomp on a Megaman subreddit. I got harassed by a drive-by anti-AI cabal and then the moderators of the subreddit removed my submission after I reported the harassment, citing that AI was involved, and AI is theft.
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upvoteby jamesu9 hours ago|
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One bizarre related thing I've noticed is often you will find people who otherwise seem ok with people violating the copyright and other various licenses by "decompiling" a game, but as soon as AI is involved suddenly it's a big controversial ethical issue... as if totally violating the authors rights is a minor inconvenience.
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upvoteby userbinator13 hours ago|
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"AI is theft" --- just like every human who reads a book borrowed from the library or consumed any other media in their lives?

Reddit has a few pro-AI subreddits too, so you might find a better audience there.

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upvoteby Groxx10 hours ago|
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Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically.

The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle.

If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once. They have not.

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upvoteby 4728284714 minutes ago|
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Many national libraries receive copies of “every” book published in the covered country. They don’t have to buy them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_library

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upvoteby darkwater8 hours ago|
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Because libraries predate copyright and publishers and all the industry behind it. If libraries were to be invented nowadays, they won't let them purchase a single physical book to be enjoyed by several different physical persons over the course of time. What the publishing industry would like to have is 1 physical person = 1 or more physical copies, not the other way round.
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upvoteby Gamemaster137913 hours ago|
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Yeah, I may give a whirl to those subreddits, but it does really show the dissonance between a sect's visceral hatred of AI relative to their interests when they're rejecting the progress of a game on the game's own franchise's subreddit.
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upvoteby zuzululu12 hours ago|
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big reason why i stopped using reddit
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upvoteby Gamemaster137911 hours ago|
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I've been off-and-on again. I stopped using it for years. I begrudgingly began using it again as I founded a private game server (before AI was viable, even, so it wasn't sued) for a game that shutdown a few years ago. Perhaps hilariously, the moderators there also didn't like me and told me to eat shit when I suggested people start doing packet captures. At least they warmed up to me over the years though and actually endorse the project now. Doesn't make the rest of the website any less of a cesspool though.
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upvoteby idiotsecant13 hours ago|
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That's a pretty valid viewpoint, honestly. Unless the AI is open weights and free of charge it's using human effort that nobody paid for to do a commercial thing.

I would make the argument that open weights models are ethically still maybe questionable, but at least it's making the output a public good

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upvoteby stalfie9 hours ago|
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The counterpoint is that every company ever has based themselves on human effort they never paid for (usually). The entire scientific endeavour for example. Standing on the shoulders of giants and so on.
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upvoteby CM308 hours ago|
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Depends on the community. From my experience, the modding scenes for certain more recent games seem abivalent about it, or more willing to tolerate it, while the communities for modding older games tend to be more heavily against it.

For example, when a Paper Mario decomp/port used AI, the subreddit for the series pretty much tore it to shreds for that. Mario fan communities in general tend to be really heavily against it, with Mario Fan Games Galaxy, SMW Central, and SMBX having rules which are basically "no AI allowed for submissions ever".

Meanwhile my experience on sites like ROM Hacking.net is that AI is more accepted/tolerated there.

So, it's very much a series by series thing. Best to check what the Mega Man community thinks of LLMs before you post it.

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