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upvoteby aurareturn2 hours ago|
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Fire, agriculture, electricity, AI.

Rank these inventions in terms of importance to humanity.

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upvoteby vitally36431 hours ago|
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That's the fun thing, since we have only observed a single advanced civilization, and that one only indirectly through archaeological evidence, there's no hard facts to be had! We can only make guesses. We don't know what is and is not required to make an advanced technological species, and we won't have any answers until we meet another one to compare with.
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upvoteby aozame1 hours ago|
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AI is not important at all. Just make things more convenient, but is completely unnecessary.
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upvoteby anonymousiam1 hours ago|
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It looks like you've already done so with the order of the sequence that you used.
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upvoteby cmrdporcupine1 hours ago|
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Arguably they're all fire -- requiring/involving forms of combustion.

(Well, debatable about agriculture, slash'n'burn wasn't the only form of it, but it was common for land clearing at least... all we have now is one that involves combustion engines, though...)

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upvoteby vkou1 hours ago|
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Nuclear weapons and the control structure around their use and fossil fuels and the C-corporation and what it optimizes for will probably turn out to be more important to the long-term future of humanity and it's civilization.
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upvoteby vitally36431 hours ago|
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Fossil fuels are another feature like fire. One of the leading theories is that the availability of extremely energy dense fuels is one of the primary reason we were able to industrialize, and that without those fuels industrialization would be vastly more difficult if not impossible.

Personally I disagree with 'impossible', but it would definitely be harder. There's a pretty good argument to be made for leaving significant quantities of fossil fuels in the ground for the next civilization. If we wipe ourselves out, whoever comes next is going to very badly need those fuels to rebuild an industrial base.

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upvoteby cmrdporcupine1 hours ago|
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There were copper & bronze age industrial sites. Esp Tin & arsenic bronze smelting sites. Complete with child labour, open pit mines, assembly line style processing, and heavy metal poisoning. E.g. Semiyarka, in present day Kazakhstan, ~1600 BCE. You can still see the environmental damage to this day from the air.

Romans had industrial processes, too, for things like fabric / laundry cleaning.

What's new in the 18th/19th century is full-on mechanization of industry. And the wage labour system to make it possible. Accompanied by acts of enclosure etc to drive the peasantry off the land and into factories. Also the mechanization of agriculture that went with that.

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upvoteby smilespray2 hours ago|
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And a sample size of one.
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upvoteby vitally36432 hours ago|
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That's what I said, yes.
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upvoteby nobodyandproud2 hours ago|
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We have counter examples of human pods that never really achieved “civilization”.

What’s missing that make them more akin to orcas or wolves?

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upvoteby greiskul1 hours ago|
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It is possible it is just time. Modern humans are considered to have existed for 300k~ years. Civilizations are about 6k years old.

So who knows. Maybe if you gave them an extra 10k years, they would have achived "civilization". It is not much for the scale of human existance. But it is longer than any of our civilizations has existed for.

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upvoteby nobodyandproud47 minutes ago|
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For humans, I wonder if population size and density is also a factor.

That is, if there’s a critical mass and population size.

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upvoteby asdff32 minutes ago|
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And makes sense with agriculture and civilization coming together. Agriculture improved the carrying capacity of an acre of land dramatically from what it was from foraging and hunting.
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