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Valve already gave Half-Life 2 away for free, and released the source code of the HL1 engine.

Is it technically illegal? Yeah, but Valve isn't losing out on any money, and there's no way they're going to risk the negative PR blowback they'd get for a takedown.

Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.

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Giving things away for free (at one point) is not the same as making it public domain or relinquishing your (copy)rights. Source available is not the same as open source. Open source code does not mean open source assets/product. I find it weird that this needs to be explained in this community.
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> Giving things away for free is not the same as making it public domain or relinquishing your (copy)rights.

Obviously. But it does kill the usual "piracy is bad because companies lose money" argument - especially for a 22-year-old game.

> Source available is not the same as open source.

Obviously. But it does show that Valve is more interested in preserving old genre-defying games for the general public, rather than milking every last cent of revenue out of it.

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>Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.

God, AI keeps making life better than I could've ever imagined!

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It only works like that for the Big Thieves. Us regular folks get screwed over just like before.
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GoldSrc (HL1 engine) is very much not open source (or even source available). There's at least one open source remake (which is possibly illegal due to using the SDK) but no official release.
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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/halflife is the HL1 engine, is it not?
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That's just the SDK - which does include the game code but not the engine. Xash3D is the reverse engineered engine alluded to above.
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No no, you can't steal anything without consequences, only big corperations who are making slop machines(tm) can.
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Turns out "too big to fail" doesn't just apply to reckless financial behavior.
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It was available for free as part of its 20th anniversary update: https://overclock3d.net/news/software/half-life-2-is-availab...
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That was a special promotion with a defined end date. The game is not free. The only legitimate way to obtain it currently is to pay for it. Together with the false claim about HL1 being open source, you're really adding a lot of misinformation to this thread.
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> Yeah, but Valve isn't losing out on any money, and there's no way they're going to risk the negative PR blowback they'd get for a takedown.

So that makes it okay to pirate and steal games developed by your fellow indie game developers as well?

> Besides, IP law is dead. The rise of AI made it pretty clear that you can steal literally anything without consequences.

Try doing the same thing to Nintendo.

Even large companies like Anthropic were not going to risk going to trial and getting bankrupted of over $120B+ in damages in using pirated copyrighted eBooks for training. The best case was a settlement for $1.5B which that is a record settlement in copyright law.

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This project seems perfectly congruent with current year industry standards regarding copyright, which are to move fast and lobby for permission later.
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That is up for the copyright owner to enforce or not to enforce.

Until they decide, we can't know if it's illegal or not - who knows, this site might have a license.

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It's not legal just because the copyright owner doesn't immediately sue you.
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If a copyright infringement falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it, did it make a sound?
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Technically it isn't illegal until the copyright holder decides not to grant (retroactive) permission.
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A crime is a crime even before a judge rules over it. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but most people know when they're doing something wrong and then don't do it.

Of course, this is a lot more grey area for copyright violations etc because it's a civil matter.

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What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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"Innocent until proven guilty" concerns whether someone did a crime, not whether something is a crime.

An action can clearly be a crime, but it might be unclear if you did that action.

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Only our legal institutions and the frameworks they create can decide if any specific act is a crime.
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It's quite dangerous to make unsubstantiated comments and assumptions on US copyright law without the proper research.

Valve still owns the copyright to the game and just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent, especially when we know that the game is still being sold. [0]

They (Valve) reserve the right to enforce that and this site clearly does not have such a "license" and haven't disclosed as such. Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free?

So just say you do not know.

[0] https://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/

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> just because they won't do anything now does not mean it is legal to redistribute it without their consent

I don't think the parent comment is claiming it's legal, other than the (unlikely) chance that this is licensed, just that it's up to Valve to enforce and not really our concern. A lot of cool things (like the similar https://noclip.website/) are prima facie copyright infringement.

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> we can't know if it's illegal or not

I think we can.

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We can guess this is unlicensed, and likely be right, but whether it gets taken down is up to Valve.
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And I think we don't care.
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> Why would you expect Valve to be in discussions with a 15 year old to redistribute the game for free?

Because projects like this are free publicity and don't actually compete with the product sold on Steam.

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