We had a PC that came properly-licensed with that edition of Windows (with the matching sticker and everything), and it didn't work out as a desktop machine for the intended user. It's been a year or two and some details are lost, but IIRC there were issues with some Intuit program or other.
replyIt was probably something that could have been worked around, but workarounds tend to pile up and become difficult to track. I avoided the problem by putting a more-pedestrian version of Windows 10 on it instead.
This is bad advice that is being repeated over and over by the so called tech influencers. You go to an older version that only got security updates so you will lack optimizations and features already in the current stable windows 10. And for the foreseeable future you gain nothing at all.
If one day the normal version acctually stops reviving security updates, it almost certainly will be possible to switch the update channel to LTSC and get the LTSC updates that way but for now this is not needed and the switch is unnecessary
Also without some trickery, switching to LTSC requires a complete reinstallation, which for most people likely wasting sever hours.
reply> so you will lack optimizations and features already in the current stable windows 10
replyWindows gets worse with each update, so this is actually a plus.
Linux is free and less wasteful on resources on the other hand.
replyOut of interest, what value do you think that a comment like that has, in a forum such as this? You're not likely to be informing people with information they're not already abundantly aware of.
replyWhereas the person you're responding to is adding value, for me at least. I am in what might be an edge-case position where I need to run software specific to Windows and, much more importantly run hardware that uses drivers which seemingly don't work on Windows 11 (I only learnt recently, whilst planning to finally 'upgrade').
I couldn't even begin to do what I do, ably and competently at least, in a Linux environment.
And I've had at least one laptop for general use running some flavour of Linux for about 16 years now.
Maybe not you, but many times I am asked what my setup looks like, because I game on Linux which is not as problematic as it used to be in the 2000s.
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replyIndeed, I'm fairly confident that I very specifically stated as much, as the fundamental underpinning of my comment.
replyYou might be interested in https://www.reddit.com/ .
reddit user ^
replyIt is, and if you can switch, it’s highly recommended. I have some pretty bespoke old RS-232 Windows software that was an absolute disaster to get working under Debian with Wine a few years back, so I (and others) might still need to keep a copy of Windows around.
replyMight want to try again, Wine progressed a lot in the past couple years.
replyIt works well, though its messages could use some TLC:
reply libEGL warning: pci id for fd 31: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 33: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 34: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
libEGL warning: egl: failed to create dri2 screen
libEGL warning: pci id for fd 31: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 33: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
pci id for fd 34: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
libEGL warning: egl: failed to create dri2 screen
libEGL warning: pci id for fd 31: 10de:1ff0, driver (null)
0124:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000034, 0313F66C, 0313F6DC 0313F674
0124:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x34 0x1009 0313F66C 0313F6DC 0313F674) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0124:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation HEAP_INFORMATION_CLASS 1 not implemented!
0124:fixme:nls:RtlGetThreadPreferredUILanguages 00000034, 0313F9D4, 0313FA44 0313F9DC
0124:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x34 0x1009 0313F9D4 0313FA44 0313F9DC) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0124:fixme:shell:InitNetworkAddressControl stub
0124:fixme:richedit:editor_handle_message EM_GETLANGOPTIONS: stub
0124:fixme:richedit:editor_handle_message EM_SETLANGOPTIONS: stub
0124:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
0124:fixme:win:RegisterTouchWindow hwnd 000100E0, flags 0 stub!
0124:fixme:msvcrt:__clean_type_info_names_internal (7853A300) stub
0124:fixme:msvcrt:__clean_type_info_names_internal (7B4F6BE4) stub
0124:fixme:msvcrt:__clean_type_info_names_internal (79410E54) stubwine whatever.exe 2>/dev/null
replyCan’t wait till Fable 6 can just decompile and reimplement old software like that.
replyGreat for the americans. What are the rest of us going to do?
replyUse the distilled chinese models.
replyMaybe get your governments and citizens to innovate and create their own instead of relying so heavily on other countries. I thought that's the direction other countries were trying to go.
replyTry Opus 4.8? It's just a language translation task. LLMs should be good at it.
replyVMs were not an option?
replyUnless it's some Microsoft version of Linux, of course, in which every keystroke you type performs a docker run ... or whatever.
replyWell, not just anyone can buy a license for it. You need some sort of enterprise volume license agreement, as far as I can tell.
replyWithin EU, you could buy licenses from one of the legal license resell markets.
For everyone outside of reach of the law, there‘s massgravel.
replyIf you're considering switching to Win 10 IoT you're probably not in the "people who pay for Windows" category.
replyYou can continue using normal Windows 10 if you have a Microsoft account attached to it. They give you the option to sign up for free extended updates (until 2027).
reply...which is exactly what the featured article is about. But 2032 > 2027, so I have to assume the person you replied to already knew that and was providing additional advice.
replyBut they might keep extending it...
replyThey have to update the IOT version anyway, so might as well get some money off of regular users anyway by "extending" it.
replyexcept they are extending it now for free
replyCurrent trends indicate that regular Windows 10 may as well.
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replyDoes that support modern gaming?
replyThere used to be a website something like "windowsserver2008gaming.com" or something like that idr the specific domain, that was literally a guide to turn old windows server OS installs into gaming computers. The golden years.
replyIt does support "modern gaming" yes, but like the sibling comment mentions, at least Riot's anti-cheat demands Windows 10 22H2 (the last iteration of Win10) as a minimum. There are a few somewhat convoluted workarounds floating around that people use. Also Adobe CS seems to require Win10 22H2.
replyIf you mean “modern” as in technologies like HDR, no.
replyMy only caveat is that I’m not sure how it handles multiplayer games that require anti-cheat or DRM-style mechanisms, but it’s been flawless with every title I’ve thrown at it so far (BG3, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Cyberpunk, Ori, etc)
replyEven Riot’s rootkit “Vanguard” has reduced requirements for Windows 10.
reply"modern gaming" being a euphemism for "more proprietary software that has chained us to even worse proprietary software for decades".
replyI don’t feel particularly chained to proprietary software just by playing games. I play all of them on Linux using open source software.
replyYes, the games themselves are proprietary, but that’s because they’re primarily art pieces, and that generally makes sense.
It's actually a question relating to what some people want to do with their computer. Most people don't run an OS because of some moral objection to other OS's but because it lets them do what they want with their device.
replyAlso MS go to great lengths to make the secret good version of Windows (It honestly is very good, I'd put it up there with Linux Mint) very difficult to buy.
So just torrent it. It's bad enough running Windows let alone giving money to MS.
reply> It honestly is very good, I'd put it up there with Linux Min
replyI am not necessarily a Microsoft hater per se, but to insinuate that Linux is on the same level as the Microsoft operating system is really strange to me. Whenever I, for instance, have to copy files to windows, I am getting annoyed at how slow it is compared to Linux. And that's just one issue I have. Another one is how slow e. g. ruby is on windows, compared to linux. The windows operating system is simply not good. Linux also has issues, in particular the main GUIs (both qt and gtk suck).
And good god...windows 11 updates still take fucking hours and still require multiple reboots. How this is still so painful after 2 decades is beyond me
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