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> Is it my perception or people are getting more used to not only vibe code things from existing solutions/projects but also "steal" open source code and do whatever the heck they want without complying morally/ethically/legally to the whole premise of open source?

yes. it's way easier to do now. edit -- plus a lot of new ai-only entrant devs don't understand/care that foss is about freedoms rather than free as in beer.

i work on a GPL3 library that parses a hardware audio sampler's binary data files. someone built an app so people can do "stuff" on top of my library, following GPL3 license.

someone recently posted an entirely vibe-coded clone of that app, full website with purchase links for $60 odd. completely obvious clone too; the UI was exactly the same minus the different colour scheme. no GPL3 conditions adhered to at all. mods delisted the thread. banned the clone's dev. forum community expressed their support for the original app dev. dmca takedowns were sent out. clone's website went down a few days later.

the original app dev was lucky there's only one main forum where people post things for this manufacturer, and the mods hate ai stuff too, which is kind of ironic cos the original app dev vibe codes all his stuff lol. without that forum and those mods, the original app dev would have been fucked tbh (and so would i as the GPL3 library maintainer).

centralization has benefits... without that, the only alternative i see is a mass movement where everyone goes closed source to force a conversation about respecting the work of others. we've been running on an honour/community backlash system until now.

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I've seen this same thing happen with MIT licenses...I would only consider it a real win or loss for FOSS when a court says something about it, and I don't consider facilitating online bullying to be something to be proud of. Just use the law like an adult, starting with a simple C&D.
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Judges and governments are pro-business and anti-consumers, anti-citizens. Corporations are getting use to get away with anything and everything.

Move fast and break things have changed to be about technology and it is now about the law. Uber popularized the trend, now everybody does the same. AI breaking copyright law is just part of that trend.

With the new "laws are for losers" mentality we are in for a hard time.

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No morals, no ethics. The other day I skimmed some of the countless vibe coding videos on YT and the vast, vast majority surfacing through a naive search are basically get rich quick crap.

Identify a one-feature app that (supposedly) makes money and vibe it up. Done is your "I vibe coded a 10M MAU app in 40 minutes" vid.

From crypto to NFT to vibez. Rotten to the core, the difference is that this time around LLM are actually useful in some areas.

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Ahh yes, the AI influencers...

>the people who made fortunes during a gold rush weren't the miners, but the ones selling the shovels

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When the biggest thieves are on track to trillion dollar valuations, what do you expect. Everything on the Internet is free for all now, don’t kid yourself.
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If you are convinced this is a winner takes all race to ASI, and ASI results in absolute world dominance, then of course you are never going to feel restricted by current laws, especially not simple IP rules. Because the only way to make 100% sure you lose is not to play.
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If you’re a business that deals in documents from external customers / partners, you use a data room like DocSend (by Dropbox) to share and receive documents with access management, analytics, auditing etc.

Papermark is an open source alternative to DocSend. Papermark is very popular, as it is a much more cost effective alternative to DocSend — self-host or hosted.

Corgi is a YC backed insurance startup that sells insurance to other YC startups. Nico is a founder. Recently they raised $100m at a ~$3bn valuation. They’re one of the darlings of YC right now, endless fawning over them.

Since insurance underwriting involves lots of documents, Corgi were paying Dropbox thousands of dollars per month for DocSend. For some reason, Corgi ostensibly formed a team of 12 to build their own DocSend alternative, called Dataroom. And Corgi decided to make it into a SaaS product, pitched as a cheaper DocSend from just $10/month, in an already crowded space.

Papermark noticed immediately that Corgi’s Dataroom used a lot of identical language and structure that Papermark’s open source product does. Papermark assumed that Corgi had taken Papermark’s work without attribution. Corgi have denied it, claiming it is just a coincidence that there are word for word matches between the products.

Another YC startup, Delve, got caught doing what Corgi are accused of (and much more) which led to their removal from YC.

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> Corgi were paying Dropbox thousands of dollars per month for DocSend.

That's like, nothing, for a company in the insurance business valued at 3b

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turns out it was less than $1,000 per month.

A startup raises ~$100m at a ~$3bn valuation and forms a team of 12 employees including their Head of Operations to build a clone of a product they pay less than $1,000/month for while they have more than 50 open roles they are hiring for.

Hmmm, yes, a very good use of available resources.

https://xcancel.com/SergioGarc20223/status/20702512486962956...

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Sounds like someone had an internal “team bonding” hackathon
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> Another YC startup, Delve, got caught doing what Corgi are accused of (and much more) which led to their removal from YC.

I'm not up to date on Corgi, but from what I was reading about Delve, it was the "much more" (fabricating SOC 2 and ISO 27001 compliance) that caused them to get into trouble.

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Thanks for the insight. So regarding what you explained above, is Corgi's fate supposed to be similar to Delve's? Or are those numbers so big/important for YC that they won't be banned?
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Flock (YC S17) tells us that no, YC won't mind if you're building the Torment Nexus, as long as it whitelists other YC affiliates.
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Delve screwed over other YC startups, Corgi is stealing from a non-YC startup. Therefore, there will be no official censure from YC. This is a pretty well-established fact pattern historically. Just don't mess with the YC community if you want to stay in YC.
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That's pretty lame. Startups that show this behavior to the OSS community should be equally punished, be under the YC umbrella or not.
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I don't think there's some sort of "line" that Delve crossed and Corgi has not, more likely the financial upside for YC wrt Corgi is much, much bigger. They're not going to mess with that even if the screw over a few of their other startups. YC absolutely loves to tout this family dynamic across all their companies and alumni, but there is no way the relationship between a few dozen startups looks anything like that between literally thousands of companies. It's a scaled up tech-hype startup machine now, and has attracted the same MBA-types they supposedly defeated 20+ years ago.
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Not necessarily. Delve did a lot of bad things, the primary reason for their removal was misrepresentations they made to other YC startups, i.e: YC startups paid them for security audits that turned out to be bunk which caused a big headache for their customers. Basically, the rest of YC wanted them gone for causing widespread chaos.

Delve’s first drama was around copying from other startups, it was later that their betrayal came out. Corgi is currently at the copying from other startups stage… one might choose to believe there is a path they’re following rather than this being a one off.

For example, I outlined in another comment how their product is not what it seems, it is not traditional insurance, it takes advantage of an esoteric piece of insurance regulation. They’re doing very aggressive underwriting without any of the traditional insurance regulatory protections applying to them.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48672328

Someone might believe that their conduct + very high risk product + exposure to a large number of YC companies means they’re very similar to Delve.

Plus the founders are at the top of another funnel… Forbes 30 under 30. 30u30 is practically a kiss of death.

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it takes advantage of an esoteric piece of insurance regulation. They’re doing very aggressive underwriting without any of the traditional insurance regulatory protections applying to them.

elsewhere; "Laqua, whose father is a lawyer for an insurance company"

lol

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The shared fiction of "intellectual property" is crumbling. People who grew up with normalized piracy at the consumer level and industrialized exploitation of artists' works at the corporate level don't see the value of it.

Add to that the fact that anyone can simply do what they want with the bits on their computer, and sharing anything over the internet means giving them a copy of those bits, the technical barriers are gone too.

This isn't a value judgement just an observation.

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