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But it is needed to protect the children. The politicians say so, so it has to be true. Being against this is very dangerous to our children and democracy. There is no alternative.

Seriously, there is something tremendously wrong with governance when politicians keep changing the whole world around us, without us having any say in it at all. The threat this measure poses to the internet and society is significant, yet it is being pushed through without any substantial debate or push back. This just is not how decent and actual democracies should function. What messed up timeline is this?

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Maybe we should protect the children and then they couldn't use the excuse
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The scope of the things we already do to "protect the children" is tremendous. None of them have, will, or could prevent them from continuing to use it as an excuse for things that should never be done.
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their parents won't protect them and everyone else has to pay for it. maybe they shouldn't have been allowed to have kids.
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Nothing could possibly go wrong with eugenics
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The Idiocracy scenario we've stepped into isn't much better...
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It is. It's far from good, but it's much better than eugenics.
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Note that we do have a system of eugenics, which we call money.
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> Seriously, there is something tremendously wrong with governance when politicians keep changing the whole world around us, without us having any say in it at all.

That's where you're wrong. Most people actually do agree with age verification. Just because a decision is stupid it doesn't mean it's undemocratic. Trump was elected democratically, twice. Brexit passed through a referendum.

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Most people are in favor of solving world hunger, poverty, the wars and climate change. Until you hand them the bill. Likewise most people will not agree with age verification when actually implemented.
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It requires reason to understand the consequences of your decisions. Reason is something democracies have a shortage of. Thus, democracies structurally suffer from issues like this.
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It worked great for the last several hundred years. The problem is that as government keeps expanding to control more and more of our lives, every decision it makes it necessarily imposes on everyone, whether they agree with that decision or not.

E.g. In a country of 100M people, if 60% agree with a bill and it becomes law, the country has imposed that law on 40M people against their will. That's just as true in a dictatorship as it is in a democracy. The more areas of our lives government involves itself in, the bigger this problem becomes.

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> It worked great for the last several hundred years.

No, it did not.

> E.g. In a country of 100M people, if 60% agree with a bill and it becomes law

That's not how that law was adopted.

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Maybe it depends on how you frame it.

> Social media is destroying children's brains! Do you want access to be delayed until a certain age?

> Do you want children under a certain age to be banned from social media, which means that you will now have to give your ID, only with Android or iOS?

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> only with Android or iOS

99% of people understand this as "you need a smartphone" which is not a problem in 2026, even for the elderly.

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"only if you choose to share your personal data with either Google or Apple"?
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How is that different from having a banking app installed? Or a government ID app?
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I have neither. Phones are too much of a security liability to be linked into such sensitive realms of personal life.
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What you can do with the ID app, you can also do on paper (if not with a Web service), except "age verification".
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You can survive and be exist in society without both.
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Luckily, the EU's current structure was put to a referendum. That referendum then failed to get the votes needed, so they implemented it anyway. Much superior.

It's just like democracy. Without the "dem(b)" part. Much better now.

We have such warm feelings about it! What could possibly go wrong with doing such strong governance and extreme-right parties polling at record highs in more than half the EU countries? We have warm feelings now. Or maybe the warm feelings the result of 30 years of climate action in the EU. Luckily, the extreme right is hard at work defending our right to airconditioning!

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Children die from wrongly-prepared food, thus we should only allow people to eat at McDonald's from now on! /s
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When they run out of other rights to destroy, they will pipe videos of little girls crying from food poisoning into your e-verified telescreen during ChildSafe^TM viewing hours, and the result will be that you will get to choose between two state approved restaurants thereafter.
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Two? Since the Franchise Wars, all restaurants are Taco Bell.
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> The question is why they're pushing it onto everyone. I did not consent to this, neither did you.

The representatives elected by Europeans did though: 483 votes in favor, 92 against

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I doubt those representatives gathered a sufficient mandate from their public given the huge consequence.

I’m no conspiracy theorist, but it does seem that there’s an international influence outweighing democracy.

Cui bono?

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I think that's trying to see something that isn't there, just to try and make some sense out of things. The reality is much simpler - they are elected parlimentarians, same as any regional government, and they vote without much thought based on quick brief summary. System to protect the children? Sounds great, let's vote yes - anyone who doesn't is a pedo, right?
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There’s a huge amount of stuff that the EU does that no one consented to, or had a realistic democratic avenue to influence.

I’m in the UK and very anti Brexit. But were we still in, I would have no idea how to influence what happens behind those closed doors at the European Commision.

Granted the current UK Labour/ Conservative pact on these issues show they’re completely out of control. But I still theoretically know how I could influence policy.

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I know this sounds bad, but when has consent mattered before? I agree with you wholeheartedly, but consent is simply not something these power structures value.
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The halls of power are full of pedophiles. Why do you think they want to gather data on children?
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Yes, I said it before and I will say it again: We should invest our energy in the discussion whether to implement it and not already wonder how to implement it.

Shifting this question benefits only those who want to force this upon us.

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And what do "they" want? It's not like they don't already know your age, name, ID number or your browsing history
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You will think twice before expressing your opinion in public.

Since you seem unfamiliar with the following, I will leave this here for your perusal:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

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Doesn't the "how to implement" determine whether to implement it? A poor implementation shouldn't be done, but a good implementation could make it simpler for companies to verify the ages of users, limit information passed to companies, offer a quality of life improvement for users.
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The question is -- why they even need to verify ages of users. This is not decided, and my take is that they do not.
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It's funny, concomittant all this chest beating about representing open societies, democracies, unlike those creepy evil authoritarian states which we don't like, that the EC seems hell bent on proving we can have a police state _just_ as intrusive if not more than say: Russia. This is not how we were supposed to prove that we are better.
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> as intrusive if not more than say: Russia.

Ping me when people are physically tortured by police for facebook posts, because that's what happens there.

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How about 30 years in prison for distributing zines?
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USA is not member of EU
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I love how "they" wanting to know your age is a big conspiracy, but zuck &co hiring the best behavioral and addictions scientists to get yours kids into doomscrolling brain rot as soon as possible is a fact of life and we shouldn't do anything about it
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The solution is banning dark patterns at big tech companies, not banning privacy.
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