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> its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol

Pretty sure ranking “second” to two others means ranking third.

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Charitably, you could read this as "its overall intelligence [is in a class that] ranks second only to [that of]..."
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This is actually what's meant but this bikeshed has been built for yak shaving.
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Yeah, bad wording it seems. Though a charitable interpretation is that Fable 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol are joint 1st place in the measurement.
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Doesn’t matter, the next one is still third.
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DENSE_RANK() vs RANK() claims another victim
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If there are two folks standing at gold, nobody gets the silver medal.
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But linearizing an equal magnitude quantities by alphabet priority would be unfair. Magnitude is the important quantity here.
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"Ranks second" is their statement. What is it's rank, in your opinion?
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frontier vs "not quite" :D
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While you are technically correct, in English it’s perfectly fine to say it this way as well.

“Second only” here has meaning “next after”, not “number two”.

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So... France took second to England and Argentina?
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France’s football team is second only to England’s and Argentina’s.

It’s a miracle that in language same words have different meanings depending on context. If this wouldn’t be the case we could have hardcoded NLP algorithmically without inventing these expensive LLMs!

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Second group essentially is how you have to think of it
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Not if the others tie for first place.
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Still third even then.
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Which is still great because it means neither of the two best financed labs in the world manage to produce even two models themselves that would beat Kimi K3.
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> > K3 pushes the boundary of end-to-end knowledge work. On the GDPval-AA v2 leaderboard, Kimi K3 scores 1687. The benchmark evaluates AI models on real-world tasks across 44 occupations and 9 major industries; Kimi K3 ranks behind only Claude Fable 5 Max and GPT-5.6 Sol Max, and ahead of Claude Opus 4.8 Max at 1600.

This is the same benchmark where Sonnet 5 outperforms Opus 4.8 max.

Like all model releases, the benchmarks aren't going to tell the whole story. All of the open weight models come with amazing benchmark results now. It's hard to believe anything other than that the benchmarks are leaking into (or intentionally included) into training data.

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Sonnet 5 does beat Opus 4.8 on several benchmarks. It just costs more and takes longer.

(On several other benchmarks, it costs more, takes longer, and does worse.)

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Possible, but pay-as-you-go Hy3 / DeepSeek v4 Pro / MiMo v2.5 Pro (from respective vendors) are genuinely good enough as daily drivers, given the costs (especially, low prices for input cache, which usually makes up 70%+ of total input for agentic workflows). I put in $10 in DeepSeek & Xiaomi MiMo, and I've barely used $1 each, in a week of coding work.

Coding Plans by MiniMax ($20/mo for 1.7b tokens) and Z.ai (~$30/week use for $17/mo) are also tremendous value for money.

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i’ll never really understand this comment. why would labs do this if they know private benchmark evals will come out in the next week?
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> Maybe another DeepSeek moment right here.

Surely not... What made DeepSeek disruptive was that the cost was 10X lower.

In this case, the cost is about 2X lower the Sol I think?

At 2X, you're pretty close to the error margins due to token efficiency etc...

I'd say this is "on trend" for open models catching up to frontier labs, but its not a "change in the trend" like DeepSeek was IMO.

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It was also disruptive because it was open weight, meaning anyone and their dog could theoretically compete with the frontier labs for their inference revenue.

The frontier labs need to recoup a huge amount of cash to cover their model development costs, and justify their valuations. That’s plausible when they’re only ones capable of selling inference on these models, it a lot less plausible when models themselves become cheap commodities, and you’re just competing on your ability to provide compute. Anthropic and OpenAI can’t compete with people like AWS on that front.

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cost has nothing to do with why deepseek was disruptive, the fact that it means there is zero moat around anthropic or openai is what's disruptive about it. it means in the mid-term LLMs will be commoditized and customers will flock to the cheapest inference wherever they can find it. there's no reason to stick to the "frontier" labs
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DeepSeek didn’t really change any trends though, unless you count the stock market.

It was impressive work, but models were commoditizing and inference costs were dropping rapidly already. They were neither the first nor the last 10x optimization, from what I’ve seen.

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To be fair the stock market is a big one
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If you know of any other 10x optimisations currently, please let me know! I'm in the market for a model that's a tenth the price of a frontier model at the same level of quality.
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That’s an interesting way to say you’re third. I’m only second to the ten other runners on my local Strava segments.
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> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance

What page does that come from? I'm having trouble tracking it down.

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It was on the page linked in the top comment, but it's been removed.
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Where are you seeing this write up?
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I copied that from https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart but it seems they updated the page to remove the benchmark score now.
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Where is this from?
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