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by shermantanktop2 days ago |

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by masfuerte2 days ago|

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But physical memory is a giant flat space of contiguous addresses. Do you mean virtual memory?

by customguy1 days ago|

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How could it be? For example, each memory stick doesn't know beforehand what other memory sticks it will be used with, so the "physical" addressing of the memory on each stick has to be independent of the others, i.e. a local address, that gets mapped to a virtual one.

by hvb21 days ago|

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But that's not relevant? What would be relevant if, depending on where your bits are stored, acces time is significantly slower. If, regardless of where my data goes, my access time is constant then I do not care as a dev?

That's the abstraction I'm working with when coding. Which is necessary because in most cases this should be an implementation detail.

by customguy1 days ago|

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Really not caring about something also means not making a positive and false claim about it. What I said was relevant to that claim. That claim in turn was, according to your heuristics, not relevant (for daily coding).

by inigyou1 days ago|

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This guy is right. Physical memory isn't flat. Every system with more than a few cores is NUMA. There are caches and cache lines. Memory channel interleaving. Ranks and banks and rows. Each DRAM chip keeps the last selected row and can access addresses within that row more quickly even if other accesses to other chips occur in the middle, unless a refresh cycle occurs.

It's all a layer below even OS programming. It's configured at the BIOS level and then performed in hardware. But that's the point, isn't it? Virtual memory is below the application programmer, too, but here we're chastising him for not understanding it. If we do that, shouldn't we equally chastise people for not understanding physical memory? Or speculative execution? Or head seeking and servo tracks? Or Ethernet line coding?

by masfuerte1 days ago|

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Even NUMA is a "flat space of contiguous addresses". There's no bank switching or whatever. Yes, the access times are non-uniform, but that's orthogonal. The point of my comment to the OP is that if you're going to be super-pedantic about this stuff, you need to get your terminology right.

by inigyou1 days ago|

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Are we assuming x64? Many ARM systems have gaps in their physical address space. x64 can too but not always. For example the Gameboy Advance used the top 8 bits of the address to identify the peripheral that is accessed.

by assimpleaspossi1 days ago|

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I almost questioned the same thing but I think we both know that's what he meant.

by kristiandupont1 days ago|

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I wrote x86 assembly back when we were switching from real mode to protected mode, and I still have a feeling that I would not have been able to answer whatever question you asked there in a way that would satisfy you.

I also could no longer tell you how to balance a binary tree or implement Quicksort.

by 59percentmore1 days ago|

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You seem to be under the impression that any part of the average contemporary identity-and-behavioral-development stack encourages asking questions. Babysitting/teach-to-the-test schools don't, authoritarian parents and community authorities and corporate overseers don't, consensus-manufacturing politicians and media don't. (Heck, even our national soccer team doesn't.)(That was a joke.)

Worse, people who find it within themselves to ask questions anyway frequently face silence or a smackdown. The Internet's Own Boy remains no longer with us.