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> Why do we treat these cameras like they can do only one thing?

Because its useful messaging to disarm the populace. "License plate reader" sounds less alarming than "Internet connected camera" or "Mass surveillance device."

Public attitudes vary around a "license plate reader" but will be more uniformly opposed to "Widespread, automated government mass surveillance tracking your every move via camera in real time"

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Especially considering Flock's API will give you people not just license plates.

The flag for whether the object/person is law enforcement vs not is interesting as well.

Love that, very cool for quickly filtering out the streams / geodata that might have an officer's actions recorded.

https://docs.flocksafety.com/developer-hub/docs/tracking-obj...

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This amounts to an argument against ever using general purpose computing devices to accomplish anything.

You could say the same about literally any privately operated device. ‘I don’t know why they call these things cell towers. They do whatever they are programmed to and can be reprogrammed by anyone with access’

Heck the same applies to non electronic things too ‘why do they call it a house? It’s a general purpose structure and could be turned into a shop or a factory or a crack den at any time by anyone with access’

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i see it more like an argument against increasingly networked solutions. red-light cameras used to just upload when an incident occurred (or maybe required routine physical downloading?). the object itself did one thing. now it's cheap to feed continuous live feeds to a centralized processor... and once it's there, it's cheap to do a lot more.
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Okay so is the argument that if a city wants to install red light cameras they must install analog film based systems because if they install a CCD camera with a raspberry pi and a network connection they could use it for other purposes?

Obviously the electronic networked solution is going to be cheaper and easier to operate. It would be insanely wasteful to force government organizations to use expensive cumbersome processes just to ensure they can’t be misused.

The solution is legislation and enforcement of rules that constrain what local governments are allowed to actually do with equipment they install and the data it collects, not regulation of what the equipment they install could theoretically be converted to accomplish.

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I think the point is these aren't just license plate readers. For example, are they recording fingerprintable bluetooth or other wifi signals of occupants of cars that are going by?
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I always define them as "Remotely managed, field-upgradeable, multi-interconnected computing devices with full spectrum cameras and other sensory capabilities. Information is monitored in real-time by increasingly capable AI technology. They have edge AI capability for intelligent classification. They can be upgraded without announcement at any time. They can be replaced in the field with higher capabilities at any time. The data they captured can be accessed at any time by anyone with sufficient permissions granted by an entity capable of granting such permissions. Not all users have the same permissions. Multiple user interfaces with differing capabilities exist. There exists a capability to aggregate data streams from multiple sources provided the user has sufficient permissions. Deleted data remains accessible to users with higher clearance."
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That's cute and technically accurate but doesn't help when having conversations with the public.

"Warrantless mass surveillance technology" creates a category into which these and similar devices can be aggregated together where people's concerns tend to be about the same.

That phrase was suggested by a local chief of police while we were having discussions on policy.

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When speaking, I use a short definition. When writing, I use the expanded definition so it's clear what it means.
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By that logic, should private citizens need a background check to buy a computer, since a computer could be programmed to run cyber attacks?
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Computer isn't quite it, internet connection itself seems closer. Then again an Android phone with terminal emulator could also run attacks.

Seems like a nonsense comparison either way. These cameras are in public places and provide surveillance intel for governmental entities.

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"Autonomous dragnet surveillance cameras" wasn't as popular with the focus groups.

> No one expected doorbell cameras to join a mass surveillance network

Doorbell cameras were at least for individual security, initially. There's no attempt being made to market Flock as anything but mass surveillance. Surely we all expect them or their successors to be detecting peoples' faces, walking gates, and who-knows-what-else in the near future.

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It's simply because the language hasn't caught up with the technology yet. A similar problem happens in courts where legal terminology hasn't caught up with technology.

There's no malintent with it, it just means that the public conversation hasn't gotten to a point where these distinctions can easily be made to a wider audience. We'll get there.

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The claim that there’s no mal intent to copaganda comes off as weirdly apologist.

Do you really think people don’t know how they’re framing the situation when they choose to use language this way? It’s all just an innocent misunderstanding, that just so happens to serve the interest of existing power structures?

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I think you're misinterpreting my words. Of course there's malintent with copaganda.

I'm talking about the random schmos out there who don't know what "ALPR" even is. These folk are more and more learning about what these things are and pushing back on them.

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