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You're right, and the load-bearing part of the argument is not what you think it is. Two ambiguities worth resolving before moving on: whether what you wrote also applies to ChatGPT, and whether you have custom instructions set up. Failure mode worth flagging explicitly: I didn't read TFA.

(I'm becoming allergic to how these things write).

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I am curious why LLM writing has such an uncanny valley feel to it. Like if I was talking to a person who constantly used a phrase they liked I would notice it and it is possible I might get irritated by it, but I wouldn’t necessarily.

In high school I had a teacher that would say “that type of thing” a lot. One time my friend and I counted it during one class period and he averaged to use the phrase every 48 seconds on average. It was funny, but it never irritated us.

And this is just one example of I am sure thousands I have personally experienced where a friend, family member, or coworker has a peculiar way of speaking and it at most feels odd but not annoying. Yet when I see an emdash now I instantly feel irritated.

And I say this as someone who actively enjoys using Claude and other LLMs, including coding, casual research, or even having it explain pop culture phenomenon or sociology research to me.

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You are diabolical.
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Well played.
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The second bullet point, down to the comma in the middle of the sentence, is what has been driving me absolutely batty of late. It's a surefire tell that I cannot seem to beat out of my outputs. It CONSTANTLY does it, even when you say not to.

Between that and the insistence on "this, not that" structure makes me want to install the caveman skill and use it even for non-code workflows.

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This load bearing concern belt and braces.
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At this point, I'm basically telling models to not write any English text or prose. Only write code. They are great at writing code. Not so great at writing good English. In software projects, lengthy comments and docs are an anti-pattern: the software should instead be written to do the right expected thing so that you don't have to think about it. I don't want all these tokens polluting my context, either.
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It's the same way how every AI generated poster looks exactly the same. As if there is a single underlying prompt that describes the template of the poster/long-form article, and it does not dare deviate from that.
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I've noticed that ChatGPT (whatever model the free version uses by default) likes to phrase answers as though it's correcting me, even when my question doesn't contain any assumptions.
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Doesn’t just mean the model has picked up on what happens when two graybeards who still wear cargo shorts meet and one utters a declarative sentence? :-)
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In your reading, what is the distinction between blindsight’s scrambler and real intelligence? My reading is that it’s just as real, and draws out the disadvantages a sense of self constrains intelligence with
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Sure. I should have been more precise about what is 'real intelligence' here.

What I mean is that blindsight's scramblers are aliens that cannot share human values. Their structure is completely different to ours, their qualia (or whether they even have it) is impossible for us to understand. In short, they do not have a soul. When Claude does this "slowly revealing a dramatic insight" thing that it does, it does that not because it has judged itself through some introspection as having an insight to share. It does not even know what an insight is or is not. It is not sharing anything, because it is not capable of sharing, because it does not have a soul.

The aesthetic structure of its replies is a pattern, a constraint on the token distribution, like the color of noise.

It's my bad to use the word 'intelligence' because it's so overloaded. Will Claude will act as a therapist or produce value or produce a work of art? No. It cannot, because it does not have a soul. I leave it freely open to interpretation whether having a soul is required for "real intelligence." But what I've noticed is that "intelligence" in these discussions is mostly used to denote some capability to produce [economic/social] value. In my mind value is a relational thing, a thing of human feeling.

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I think I understand what you are trying to convey but I fear you've made the same mistake again, this time with "soul" instead of "intelligence."

I think what you are getting at is that they are deterministic automata. They are machines. We have introduced randomness to add variation but it is an artificial randomness that simply perturbs the path traversed.

When we choose words it isn't because of a token distribution, nor because we rolled a die. We choose words because we feel a certain way, the external world, our body and senses are all connected as one system. These machines don't experience moods or get tired or feel better after a good night's sleep. They don't know their audience, we're all the same to them. We have no personal relationship nor can we establish one, as presenting some arbitrary background is not the same thing as a fluid, evolving relationship that accumulates through experience over time. There are no scars or fond memories.

If these things can truly be intelligent, to abuse your use of the word, then at least we are quite far from holding them correctly.

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An observation: You can never insult an LLM, but it can certainly insult you.

You can not insult it because it does not care, because it does not have "feelings". But you do.

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I think that Blindsight's scramblers were intelligent but not conscious, which for us is very difficult to understand. For them consciousness was a blight.

For the HN readers that are missing the context: https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm Full text on the web site of the author.

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Perhaps this is related to their new "invisible watermark" concept which would probably require rather contrived language patterns to make possible.
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