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I don't think I've seen a snuff film of that scale before. I'm not good with even fictional horror. This may haunt my dreams. For most of the people there was just nothing they could do. But others would have had a chance if they had run perpendicular to the flow and climbed like their life depended on it. I'll try to remember that the next time I'm fleeing in panic from a flash flood.

Looks like a warning siren could have saved some lives. But apparently this was a black swan.

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| But apparently this was a black swan.

What is your definition of black swan? This paper is from 2022 and scientists have been warning about climate change for decades. It's not like this possibility wasn't anticipated. It seems likely we'll see more glacial events as the atmosphere warms.

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There have been maybe three such events in the 21st century (glacier or landslides producing more than a magnitude 5 quake), and none of them have happened in an area like the Himalayas. The other two were in Alaska on Mt Steller in 2005 and the Lamplugh Glacier in 2016, neither of which produced massive downstream floods.

It usually takes entire icebergs calving off to produce such seismic events and intense monsoons to create such flooding.

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> There have been maybe three such events in the 21st century

It seems that past history (especially recent) will not be a good predictor of future events.

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Spoiler alert: that’s the whole point of a black swan event.
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A black swan event is an event that is unpredictable because it is so rare.

While I'd wait for confirmation about the cause of this specific incident, the point you seem to be ignoring is that, due to climate change, events that would have been considered "black swans" historically will become more and more common, to the point that they are expected to occur.

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I think that’s a misreading of the entire book. A black swan event is a rare, high-impact outlier that is nearly impossible to predict under normal circumstances, but is rationalized as having been inevitable in hindsight.
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Perpendicular is not the scientifically best path. 45 degree angle is the best angle if the threat is moving toward you at the same velocity that you can move. As the velocity of the threat increases, the angle gets closer to perpendicular. The size of the threat and distance of course matter as well. I think about this before tree felling. In chainsaw classes they teach you to move at a 45.
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Looking at the footage, the water/avalanche was moving far faster than anyone could move on foot. Well over 100 km/h, I would estimate.
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Likewise if your car stalls on a railroad crossing, run at a 45 degree angle toward the train. This puts you away from the path of flying debris.
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I wonder if the river went dry first, like the water receding off into the horizon before a tsunami?
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It is possible if you consider madaxe_again's theory(comment here). If the debris just started descending without interruption, there would be no receding.
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Well supposedly it was caused by a landslide blocking the river for a few minutes, then the dam burst all at once.
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The great flood myths across the world are quite possibly ancestral memories of this kind of flood on a continental scale. Retreating ice age glaciers would make lakes the size of states held at bay by an impromptu dam of various kinds of debris (or more glacier) which then would break dumping great lake amounts of water hundreds of miles into the ocean within days. This kind of thing probably happened in lots of places.
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You just pushed me into a rabbit hole called the Zanclean megaflood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanclean_flood

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I think the Japan tsunami videos showed as many, but it was spread out over the course of almost 2hrs and happened in slow motion over a large area. You could see some cars speeding to safety while others were washed away. Some stayed in taller structures assuming they were safe and were slowly washed away.
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It is harrowing. It also explains why the villages in my ancestral region in India (JK, HP, UK) with close cultural and ethnic ties with Nepal used to build them at the upper portions of the sides of mountains/hills and only shifted to building at the bottom of those kinds of valleys when motorized roads became a thing in the 20th century.

Rescue operations in Nepal are in good hands, but this is sadly because those same response orgs had to respond to a similarly brutal cloud burst floods back in 2013 [0], 2021 [1] and 2025 [2].

It also shows the very real and brutal effect climate change is already having, and will only get worse.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_North_India_floods

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Uttarakhand_flood

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Kishtwar_district_flash_f...

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150 confirmed with 47 Americans? Surprising fraction. Mountaineers or that area is popular for some reason?
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it's a popular area for tourists and mountaineers, but also i think it's a lot easier to estimate missing/dead tourists since most of them will be there with tours/companies that have to keep track of exactly where they are.
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Syabru Besi is downriver of the border and the starting point for the Langtang valley trek which is probably the third most popular trekking location in Nepal (behind Everest basecamp and Annapurna circuit). I think the tourist data they have is from tourists that are traveling with guides but from my experience many tourists also bypass the official requirements and trek solo so the number could be much higher if the Langtang is affected.
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Likely the tourists are better accounted for than the locals. Numbers are likely much higher :(
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Nepal is popular for Westerners I think. Maybe for religious reasons?
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i understand it as 150 dead, with more people missing, of which 47 are americans.
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I feel like I've easily seen more than that get swept away in videos.
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Way too early to get an accurate count
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I have watched a few and they look like the four horsemen TBH.
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