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It brings the requirement for a firewall on every endpoint with a unique address. My Phone often has an ipv6 address (found out this holiday wen I couldn't resolve one of sites because of an orphan ipv6 entry nobody noticed), and has little problems. Perhaps there is also "firewalling" on the router and the phone can't even have incoming connections. Not sure. In any case, the phone seems to do fine.
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> Perhaps there is also "firewalling" on the router and the phone can't even have incoming connections. Not sure.

Correct. Every home wifi router worth its salt will firewall incoming connections by default, whether v4 or v6. It's then possible (unless it's some shitty ISP-provided locked down device) to add specific allow rules, or allow all for a particular client.

egress is typically wide open, although sometimes they lock down particular protocols by default (eg. smtp, bittorrent)

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There's no home wifi router for an address assigned by the cell carrier.
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> Not sure. In any case, the phone seems to do fine.

That's mostly because a phone is very locked down, can you run an accessible ftp server on your phone?

It's also not windows

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For android, the answer is yes (without rooting being required).
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> without rooting being required

If you want to use the standard port, that's only true as of very recently, though, see https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/218578943#comment17

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Also on iOS, though I've only done this over Wi-Fi, and have no idea whether telcos expose open ports to the (IPv6) Internet.
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Phone OSs tend to pay a lot more attention to security than the crap they put on consumer-grade routers, "smart" TVs and cheap webcams.

I would invest in a proper firewall for the entire home before opening up anything to the world, IPv6 or not.

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> Anyway, we'll get the whole non-nat with IPv6, let's see what that brings

I'll believe it when I see it. So far it doesn't look like IPv6 will win anytime soon.

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And even if it wins, it won't matter much, since it is only one of many issues with the current Internet that prevents people from connecting to each other. Even with IPv6 you'd still have no way to find the other person and the moment they hop between networks, their IPv6 address won't stay the same either.

Ultimately I think none of this will be solved at the low level, it needs something like Iroh or libp2p where you build a new network on top of the Internet infrastructure, so that you can have things like persistent cryptographic identities and addresses that you can carry with you, largely independent of the underlying network architecture.

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On a tangent: compare persistent cryptographic identities with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-record_messaging
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I absolutely plan to NAT my home, I don't see a good reason to do otherwise.

I don't see a reason why my machine addresses should change over time... then again, most shouldn't have direct internet access anyway, a http proxy on firewall should be enough.

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> I don't see a reason why my machine addresses should change over time

You can still use fixed addresses locally if you want, its not like IPv6 is forcing you to use the prefix assigned if you just want to communicate locally over never-changing addresses.

You can have your computers be fd01::1, fd01::2, fd01::3, etc, and talk to everything on their local addresses when wanting to stay local. And then when they want to talk on the public internet they can just use whatever public addresses like 2600:1700:53c2:2573:4c:c001:dead:beef based on whatever prefix your ISP gives you.

Its not like your devices have to only have a single IP address.

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Source address selection still favors GUA over ULA by default in every major operating system… If you run both you’re almost certainly going to see a lot of GUA addresses in logs where you only allow LAN traffic. Especially if you’re using mDNS/.local for your hostnames. The only way to be sure your internal stuff only ever uses ULA’s is to not give them GUA’s, and now you’re doing NAT.

(I don’t personally run my network as ULA-only, I do ULA+GUA as you describe, but I had to basically give up on being able to reliably tie traffic logs to a known source… hosts in my LAN always seem to use a GUA to talk to each other when discovering over mDNS, which of course means they use privacy addresses by default. My ULA uses DHCP so that I can get stable addresses and know who is who, but it’s useless when things just decide to use the GUA anyway.)

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It's already won. Over 50% of Internet users are on ipv6.
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Well, any 3G or later mobile backbone is SIP+SCTP over IPv6. So in many ways it won already
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My phone, on 4g, is not IPv6

At home it can be if I connect t to my ip6 ssid, but there’s a stateful firewall which may as well nat.

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What your phone shows to app land is entirely different thing. I'm talking about the backbone.
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Weird, I used to remember that going to test-ipv6.com on my mobile (on 4G and 5G) used to fail all the tests. But today it passes.

Well, good to know!

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Firewalls, both at the perimeter and locally, was what patched over this. NAT had nothing to do with it.

You can have firewalls with no NAT just fine. You can also have NAT with no firewall.

NAT is not about security and never was. It's about stretching the IPv4 supply and allowing each endpoint to just get one precious V4 IP.

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