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Mind that, while the "creatine high dose to fight drowsiness" hack works and has no side effects (other than upset stomachs), the lost sleep still does it thing. You don't notice day to day but it will catch up to you eventually in many bad ways.
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Definitely! I would not recommend it to make up for lack of sleep for extended periods of time.

One of the things I'm trying to do better lately is to have a good sleep hygiene. Sun in the eyes early in the morning, no caffeine for the first 60 waking minutes of the day (adenosine absorption period), no screens 2 hours before bed and whatnot. Still, some nights I will just wake up in the middle of the night and won't be able to get back to sleep, then it's when I feel creatine helps

Edit: Typo

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>some nights I will just wake up in the middle of the night and won't be able to get back to sleep, then it's when I feel creatine helps

I suspect creatine is responsible for me not being able to get back to sleep easily, because once I'm awake, I'm awake.

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Creatine ruins my sleep if I take it late in the day. It most definitely has this conditional side effect for me.
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It has an especially noticeable effect if you're a vegetarian. I'm a lifelong vegetarian, and high doses of it for me are a crazy cognitive enhancer.
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That's because creatine is missing in vegetarian diets. It is found in beef. Something to consider if you are thinking about going vegetarian.
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Oh I’ve been mostly plant based for years, maybe that helps explaining the difference
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is it possible that this is the bump due to your workouts and not plainly creatine ?

I take creatine daily but when I'm working out more than a couple of weeks, i feel much better than on weeks when I skip working out.

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The overall fitness is going to definitely have a positive effect on the perceived energy levels (my Vo2 max is at its highest ever). On the other hand, I have been very fit at other times in my life but have never experienced this "my head can just go on" feeling before. I used to take conscious breaks, do NSDR between meetings and other energy-replenishing tricks because I __needed__ them. It feels like now I don't
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You mentioned that you took up CrossFit after starting creatine. Did your previous fit phases include lifting heavy weights?
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No, mostly cycling (~200km+/week with one 100km+ ride) and 30 minutes of daily yoga
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great question. Can I take creatine and skip the workout hassle?
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If your body requires more creatine than your diet currently provides, then supplementing with creatine would help, even without exercising.

from https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42578920/ (CrM is creatine monohydrate)

  Results: CrM supplementation without exercise training and diet intervention increased lean tissue mass, strength, and muscular endurance while promoting favorable changes in selected blood lipids, HbA1c, and selected markers of cognitive function and memory. Creatine supplementation during an exercise and weight-loss diet intervention increased lean tissue mass, promoted a greater reduction in body fat percentage, and improved muscular strength, endurance, and selected markers of cognitive function and memory. Supplementation was well-tolerated.

  Conclusion: CrM supplementation with and without exercise and diet intervention may help middle-aged and older adults maintain muscle mass and strength while favourably affecting selected markers of health and cognitive function. Individual cognitive and biomarker findings should be interpreted as exploratory.
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Going from minimal exercise to light-moderate exercise will do as much for you as creatine would. To me it's almost a no-brainer to try doing both.
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For me, just creatine doesn’t seem to do a whole lot. But heavy workouts (with or without creatine), energize me enormously.
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You can do the workout and skip creatine and its marginal benefits pushed by gym bros and health influencers beyond reason.
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>I'm 43 and I feel like I have more energy than I have ever had before. I started taking it during recovery from a bad ankle fracture / Once the ankle was better I took up CrossFit, and kept on taking creatine because why not

And how do you know it's the creatine and not ...taking up CrossFit and the benefits to energy and cognitive function exercize brings?

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I take creatine daily, have done for well over a year. I also run 5-6 days a week and lift twice a week.

I’ve previously stopped taking it for a couple months and noticed no real difference in physical or mental ability.

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You may not have taken enough. You need 15-20g/day for mental benefits. And long term, at least 2+ weeks.
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If you would, please explain or point me to the material where you get your higher dosage recommendation. (I always heard and understood proper dosage to be 5–7.5g/day, 10g/day at the most. I’d like to correct my error if I’m mistaken.)
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<10g is the correct dosage for the non-mental benefits

But inversely, unless you actually go above 10, eg 15... The blood saturation isn't enough for your brain to take advantage of it.

But there is very little studied about sustained use of such a dosage. (Only short term - eg 1 week - which isn't long enough for the benefits again)

It's safe enough for anecdotes of people doing it for years and not having issues - but despite others claiming that it's well studied, it's really not - at least not with dosages above 5g in humans.

Personally I've been doing so for a year now and can unquestionably confirm a strong effect, which goes away if I reduce the dosage below the threshold. So at least my body responds to it.

But you're not getting a proper study unless you get thousands of people to take it for years... Which is basically impossible as there are too many confounding factors to get meaningful results.

And organizing such a study is gonna be too expensive too, with no sponsors willing to take up the tab

I've already written and edited this comment a lot, but as a final remark I'd like to point out that the benefits I'm referencing is having an easier time concentrating. This can also be a demerit, as you can easily be caught thinking about something for pretty long before you realize.

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Huberman podcast has some coverage
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Yeah I definitely don’t take that much.
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The only difference I notice is a small increase in muscle strength after taking it for a month or so.
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I’m 45 and work out a lot and feel this way without creatine. To the point that this makes me worry it would exacerbate my existing sleep issues (I literally never feel sleepy, I feel exactly the same 24 hours a day).
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Any tips on GI impact? I pair mine with food and lots of water and it's improved but wondering if there's any more I should be doing
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Some people report less GI distress with creatine HCL but it’s much more expensive.

The GI issues are caused by the creatine absorbing water. This causes your gut to have more water than usual as it follows the creatine through the works… which causes… urgency.

The effect diminishes after you’ve been taking a regular dose for a while, even with just monogydrate (not HCL).

Some people say HCL causes less distress because it doesn’t draw water as much. Others argue that defeats the purpose of taking it.

Monohydrate is studied to death and proven effective, HCL not so much.

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The studies I've seen from HCl claim it's more bioavailable too, so you only need 1/3 the dosage compared to honohydrate. That makes the cost pretty comparable.

But otherwise, I'd agree that monohydrate has significantly more research behind it and I'd default to that if it's tolerable.

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Anything over 5g is hard on my stomach. I take it in my protein shake in the morning and dont notice any issues.
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I took double the dose once and I regretted it. I was in the bathroom pretty often that day.
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Do you take the standard 5g or something else? What's your weight?
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~5g most days, ~10g if I didn't sleep well. I'm currently 68kg
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height?
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Have you tried stopping creatine? How do you know it's the creatine?

I've been taking it for almost a month and I plan to stop to see if I notice any change back that would make me want to start taking creatine again.

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Creatine is one of the few if not the only supplements we actually know work. But with that said, my experience is that the bump is there but not world changing. Although it could be placebo, I don't think so because the first time I started taking it I noticed something but didn't make the connection because I noticed it playing basketball and not as much lifting. I could just sprint a lot easier. I recently started taking it again and again I noticed I can sprint easier and not be as spent. Of course you can improve by simply working out regularly, but IMHO the bump you get is obvious.
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It's beyond crazy, lol. How many grams are you doing a day?

It has replaced in some ways caffeine for me.

The part of where creatine wipes out sleep deficit sounded like a stretch, but it definitely helps.

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And this is surely thanks to Creatine. Amazing!
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