If it’s anything like AWS there’s hundreds of people making bespoke software factory setups, enhanced interfaces for ai tools, spinning up 10 parallel review agents with the best model available, etc because the budget is basically unlimited.
replyI find it a bit comical. AI tools are so easy to pick up, and it's unlikely you've pushed some highly critical features which couldn't have waited for a few months.
replyToken maxing really is a thing if your token budget is unconstrained.
replyTokenmaxxing is just the new pr-maxxing. Proxies truly are the root of all evil.
replyThat sounds both very fun and very stressful.
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This made me laugh
https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1wh0qxq/comment/p...
replyTalking to my friends working there, they said they were surprised when that happened and they didn't find Claude quality to be that much better than Gemini when using agy. So maybe after all the issue is not mainly the model, but harness and custom tooling.
replyThey give claude usage on antigravity and aren't them a investor on antrhopic?
replyWhat in the world is happening?
replyLife uhhh... finds a way.
replyI dunno, it could be about money, too. $100,000 budget per employee, per month. Why were they willing to spend that much on AI usage? I hope said employees also make that much in salary.
replyit's circular revenue. they can claim tokenmaxing on one side, and huge revenues on the other.
replyI think if you talk to LLMs and give feedback or openly say what works and what doesn't, you are essentially solving a captcha and produce accurate training data, while you pay for the token spend. I'd be a bit nervous with this lol.
replyJust one unsanitized input and you leak info. Or one hidden character and code may or may not belong to you anymore. Its very odd on many levels
Accurate training data?
replyAt best you produce some noisy signals that are going to have a tiny impact if even that.
And that's on a personal plan where you didn't opt out of sharing usage data.
Business plans offer zero data retention. This is a non-issue.
These are companies famous for following the rules when it comes to handling other people’s data and IP after all, totally a non-issue and they would never violate contract law
replyIt would be a low quality training set that you theorize is a goldmine and worth illegally stealing from your customers.
replyI think this data is likely worthless compared to curated RL tasks.
Why do you think cursor stops and asks questions so often?
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replyDogfooding their own model ls and not letting their competitors use their data to train their.
replyI wonder why they allow it at all.
replyLike its a no brainer to force your employees to use your own models, then RL train them to be better.
Only if all you care about is developing models. I assume the rest of the business would rather just use whatever's best in class regardless of who made it, so I'm sure it's not that straightforward of a decision.
replyOr let them use Claude, track everything, and use that data to train your own models.
replyIf you assume that noisy general usage data enables good RL, particularly compared to curated RL training sets.
replyI am not convinced that's the case.
Microsoft?
replyCopilot
replyThat's not a model.
replyTrue, but its not pure OpenAI GPT. If the point is dogfooding, then they'd use Copilot instead of using OpenAI's models directly
replyThey do.
replyIf you ask Microsoft, it is a lifestyle.
replyif AI never happened there's like zero chance I would've ever used or noticed the usage of the word "dogfooding" lmao i hate this timeline
replyThat's odd. I've been aware of that word for decades.
replyDitto, it's been around for a decade or three, especially if we include longer phrase "eating your own dogfood" and not just the verbification.
replyI can't be sure but I vaguely recall it being associated with the big Microsoft antitrust court case? Along with the delightful phrase "knifing the baby"
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replySame as "load-bearing", but I guess that depends on everyone's non/pre-swe background.
replyOr house flipping TV shows
replyWikipedia has the introduction of the term "dogfood" to the corporate world as a Microsoft internal memo....
reply... in 1988.
MS was famous for that. Seems since around .NET they have forgotten about it. Delivering and promoting toolkits to devs they don't use themselves.
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