See here:
Only way you can really know you’re getting the full model is to host it yourself. Every inference provider has every reason to lie and it’s impossible to find out the degree to which they are.
OpenRouter Pricing:
$0.02/M input tokens $0.60/M output tokens
DeepSeek Pricing (cache miss, off-peak):
$0.15/M Input $0.60/m output
It’s also the major difference between using DeepSeek directly vs other providers also serving it, though I have not looked lately: it’s possible other providers have matched its cache hit pricing better?
I think the 5% cut from open router is fair if I want to user other cheap models like mimo
Contrary to popular belief, DeepSeek really aren't interested in your prompts.
What I see is https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-pol...
They do not have a specific exclusion for API use.
I know Z.ai has an exclusion for API use. It's widely reported Deepseek doesn't.
To the open platform terms (i.e. for API use): https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-open-platfo...
The standard terms includes clause 4.3 which grants them the right to retain inputs and outputs for training purposes, and this is missing from their API terms. The standard terms also cover the right to opt out (which you can do from your user settings). No such opt-out exists on the API because it isn't applicable.
I'm writing a program I personally need, but I would be happy if there existed something like it already, if someone else vibecoded a better version of it than mine, or if DS got better at vibing this kind of thing.
what proof do you have, that they don't train on your data?
they can say they don't, but I don't see any way for you to confirm it.
with how these companies operate currently, I won't be surprised, if they say that one of agents "mistakenly" did that already..
It actually was awesome in the early Facebook days where you could have your entire phone contacts and other apps filled out with a profile picture and Birthday by connecting them together. But that relationship has been completely abused, privacy has been invaded, and my data has been sold to multiple companies.
The goal going forward is to keep that data private. If your company can't survive without it then I hope your company goes out of business
It's regrettable that OpenRouter doesn't even try to pin you to a single provider per session, but once you know about it, it's a problem that's easily solved.
If you don't want to mess about client side with pinning, set a guardrail on Openrouter that limits the available providers to only the official one.
Also if DS is down you can choose another provider.
I have credits at DS and OR directly. But I do see the value in OR.
I thought the advantage of DeepSeek is that you can host it on a server of your choosing.