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Sheesh... what's in a name? :p
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Bio shows: https://twin.so/
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That promo video … it’s so cringe it feels like satire. But it’s not.

It’s PERFECT!

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Codes day and night a snake eating its own tail…
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Way too harsh

Lots of guys buying articles on TechCrunch saying they’ll build this, he’s bootstrapped

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The hiring page says he raised $10m from LocalGlobe
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Funny how it's always another AI API wrapper.
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Holy shit, it's an Andon Labs clone but worse. Because Andon Labs actually launched businesses (and lost money on all of them)
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>What are your agents implementing day and night…sheesh. Built anything useful for anyone yet?

you can't think of anything to unleash some agents on within the entire digital world at any given time?

you motivate your own personal work only via gauging its' usefulness to others and your own prospects?

sheesh.

built anything for the sake of building yet?

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“building for the sake of building” refers to _you_ doing the building
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We've entered the idler era of building
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I can't believe I haven't made that connection myself tbh
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I'm not convinced that humans will remain entertained by this format. I hope not, anyway. That's how we get WALL•E
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> That's how we get WALL•E

God I hope so.

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We have entered the era of building enterprise scale projects for your own personal use. I can do things it took teams years to build as a hobby project over a weekend.
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So much of that "took years" is because they didn't know exactly what the "years from now" state they were building in advance. Another huge chunk is because they started getting customers and had to respond to customer needs, demands, scale, bugfixes, preserve uptime, etc.

And even then, "enterprise" was often a dirty word in these circles. The over-engineered would-be-swiss-army-knife vendor that was mediocre-for-everyone but excellent for nobody.

I have built many tools in the recent past for myself. None of them need to be "enterprise scale." Most of them would be worse for it because the agent output suffers when the pile gets deeper and it's just adding more piles on top.

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What's the most impressive and useful thing you have built then?
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the very notion that everything has to be 'impressive' to you is ridiculous. You still don't understand the era of personal software and everything has to be a windows replacement or it wasn't worth building to you? I'm making my own azure blob storage explorer, notes mac/android, db client etc.. its not about being 'impressive' but being personally suited to individual needs.
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He said most impressive and useful meaning there is no absolute cutoff. The only reason why you would be offended is because you have built nothing at all and that's you telling on yourself. Not to mention the question wasn't even aimed at you.
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No, that's not what happened in this thread at all.

There's a recurring pattern on HN where any time someone talks about knocking dozens of personal projects off their list - things that almost certainly would never have actually been addressed in the finite span of a normal life, the way things go - and you AI doomers show up and demand receipts as though that's a total reasonable and definitely not obnoxious request.

It's like if you tell someone that you love your partner and they demand to sit in the cuck chair or else you're obviously lying. I keep hoping people will move past this "prove that you're actually productive" reflex, but it just keeps happening in basically every AI thread.

In reality there are many reasons not to list out projects that you've worked on with LLMs, and while "none of your damn business" is always going to be at the top, the simple truth is that I want my products and projects to be judged by what they do and how well they work, not by how they were made.

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> "There's a recurring pattern on HN where any time someone talks about knocking dozens of personal projects off their list"

Nobody was talking about that very believable use case. What they specifically said was "enterprise scale projects". Enterprise scale means lots of users, decades of backwards compatibility, regulation compliance, logging and auditing, reporting, role based access control and permissions, integration with other enterprise systems, etc. etc.

> "you AI doomers show up and demand receipts as though that's a total reasonable and"

Asking what large scale programs they have built is not "dooming". It's also not demanding. It's also not unreasonable.

> "definitely not obnoxious request".

Saying that it's "unreasonable and obnoxious" to ask people to justify their claims is where the likes of Theranos and Nikola electric truck company are hiding. If they don't want to talk about their stuff, they could have not commented. Since they commented it's reasonable to ask them about what they said.

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> What they specifically said was "enterprise scale projects". Enterprise scale means lots of users, decades of backwards compatibility, regulation compliance, logging and auditing, reporting, role based access control and permissions, integration with other enterprise systems, etc. etc.

Do you really think that's what they meant?

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> I can do things it took teams years to build as a hobby project over a weekend.

That is a pretty strong statement. And without even anecdotal evidence, it becomes very weak.

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Nobody owes you evidence.
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You misread a comment so badly that you ended up responding to a completely different and made up comment. Your unwillingness to admit that you were wrong is way worse than whatever reflex you are ranting about.
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>I want my products and projects to be judged by what they do and how well they work

Hence the question "what's the most impressive and useful thing you have made"

But no one really has any examples. Just half baked slop they never got over the finish line.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the cuck chair is going to be occupied tonight!
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So software that already solves those problems isn't good enough and your vibe coded versions will be better? And totally worth the negative cost of AI to society and the environment? You just gotta have your own versions right?
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Well, maybe, for certain programs, yes? Maybe I don't want a million SLOC behemoth with 1000 features that has a huge attack surface, when a slim 10k SLOC tool that does exactly what I need (and nothing more) will suffice? A tool that I can modify and extend on a whim? A tool that does one thing, and does it well — you know, the Unix philosophy?
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>you can't think of anything to unleash some agents on within the entire digital world at any given time?

It has to be worth it though right? Like I could spend some money and have agents build me my own Photoshop maybe (maybe?) But it would definitely be much worse to use than actual Photoshop. Then I have to have the continued interest to keep improving it which probably won't happen because the next shiny thing will grab my attention. So it all just seems like a bunch of kids that have been given a seemingly endless supply of free candy and they are going fucking nuts like chipmunks with ADHD on crack. Building all this shit that is absolutely meaningless. I realize I've gone on a rant but I'll keep going. I strongly suspect (with no evidence whatsoever) that the people who are churning slop apps out at breakneck speed have never been to an art museum. There. I said it. You've all got no taste. You wouldn't know a quality product if it hit you in the face. I'll leave with this thought- if apple didn't exist, would they ever exist now we have LLMs? I say no, because the age of good taste and refined design and original thoughts is gone forever now that we have Claude and chatgpt and agents.

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I think you're underestimating how things used to be - you could go into any office, any closet, any coffee shop and find a shit-ton of half-baked, crazy-genius, kick-ass, retarded ideas and projects lying around everywhere in the world: filing systems, carpet organizing systems, outlines for film scripts, unsent letters to loved ones, etc etc etc. Whole worlds everywhere you look. And other people chipping in their two-cents worth, adding a few new filing cabinets, an idea for a film sequel, a new way to think about a different carpet, a notebook system to organize someone else's unsent letters... All this slop eventually thrown into nasty, fetid garbage dumps, forgotten.
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A.I. potentially breathing new life into every personal Graveyard of Half-Assed False Starts.

What's not to like ?

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All of that stuff meant something to someone though. They put real time and effort into those creations.
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> All this slop eventually thrown into nasty, fetid garbage dumps, forgotten.

Isn't that how it is supposed to be?

The lower the friction, the lower the signal:noise ratio.

It doesn't matter if 1 out of every 100k slop projects is actually a humdinger, how on earth will you ever find it?

The value of a project is the commitment to to it by people. Slop projects indicates a commitment in the low to none range.

So, yeah, that AI-booster who "created" (I use that word loosely) 7x Adobe replacements in a week (none of which actually work, but he'll get there eventually, I supposed) will successfully edge out the person who carefully and thoughtfully created a Photoshop replacement over six months of user feedback.

TBH, the only way to start a software business now is in stealth mode.

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