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“was” is the keyword you used, but omitted to comprehend, in your analysis. OpenAI WAS a non-profit, as in, the past.
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I comprehended it just fine, that's why I used "was" to begin with. My comment, which you "omitted to comprehend" (sic), ironically refers to their non-profit heritage, which should make them double sensitive to good causes like not destroying the world.
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arguably these days it's even more non profit than before and getting more so.
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The non-profitest company in the entire world
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However, should they be the one to survive the inevitable wave of collapses, they will be absurdly profitable, and that's what all the investors are betting on - the usual VC playbook of creating an entirely new market (or destroying aka "disrupting" established players) fueled by absurd amounts of money, surviving until everyone is hooked and the competition is gone, and then jack up the prices.
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The last one standing will probably a chip maker able to distill the frontier without having sunk too much capital advancing the frontier, essentially Google, Apple, Nvidia, Samsung and all the Chinese labs
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And what makes you think first, there's a moat and, second, the demand is not elastic?
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Don't ask me that question, for all I care this entire bubble can finally collapse for good, I'd like to be able to afford things again.

But unfortunately, too many people who are already too rich for their own good have fully bought into it.

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Never mind the fact that if any one, or even more than one, player gracefully bows out nothing changes.
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If any one major player bows out, they could take everyone else out by opening up their model. There’s definitely a little bit of MAD going on.
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Good point! The same would happen if another player develops a frontier-comparable open model.
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If A or OAI dropped out, there would be pretty crazy financial backlash from the whole inverted pyramid of investment and capital allocations that is built on top of their projected growth.
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that backlash is inevitable anyway. that pyramid is based upon projections which are flat out insane.
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Why are people expected to lose their goddamn minds every 2-3 months like they've never seen an AI before.

I have a secret: if you don't use AI, the new releases aren't very impressive. I'm bored out of my mind with people doing galaxy brain memes every 2 months while on the whole.... they're still boring zombies, and only getting boring-er and boring-er. There's nothing more boring than being impressed by the latest AI model.

In terms of the projections being insane you can quantify it: each model costs something to train, but after that the training has only captured so much unique new value in terms of model capability, and the race is on to drain that value as rapidly as possible. Everyone is competing to drain the same value. This generation of models makes slop video games for example, and slop video games rapidly became the most boring thing on the planet.

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I tell you 3 times I was genuinely excited with AI. 1 - original Google transformers release (hope for future) 2- opus 4.6 comes out (first time an llm can do real programming for me and the code is good) 3 - Qwen3.8-Flash-Next comes out - first time a model i can run myself at good speed can do real programming and is almost as good as opus.

Those are genuine breakthroughs.

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Again that suggests that the end goal is to use AI. As long as using AI is your goal, using AI is also the definition of succeeding at your goal.

Any society-wide productivity gain was lost when software engineers ceased collaborating with each other in good faith. In OSS, they stopped collaborating. At companies, they stopped collaborating. One by one, in silence, alone, we have been bereft of our vision, our team spirit, our passion, our uniqueness. We no longer have the will to serve others, or even to serve each other. We stopped building our future. We will accept whatever society AI makes for use like fucking cattle or lemmings or like dogs.

AI hasn't elevated humanity, it has taken a massive dump on it.

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> Nothing wrong with that.

Except that's an open invitation to get sued into oblivion by your investors.

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Quote the original OpenAI prospectus, “it would be wise to view an investment in OpenAI Global, LLC in the spirit of a donation”.
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That's the risk they took right? They got billions for it
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No, they took the risk of being outcompeted, which is exactly my point
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CEO wakes up one day and decides to scuttle the company probably isn’t in the contract.
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Slowing pacing because of real fears of out of control AI isn't scuttling, if they believe what they're saying.

Of course they don't actually believe their nonsense about AIs doomsday hokey, so full speed ahead.

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The investors would remove whichever numpty attempted to unilaterally wind the company down.

The CEOs of these companies are largely just talking heads and generally interchangeable / hot-swappable with anyone willing to give it a shot.

The importance of CEOs is largely overstated.

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openai's removal and reinstatement of sam altman in november 2023, do you think it supports or disproves this?
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I would say it does neither, really. The removal issue was a conflict between stakeholders on whether OAI should keep its nonprofit ethos, or move to be a commercial entity. Had Altman been replaced by someone supporting the same line, there wouldn't have been such a fight.

If you wanted to test your hypothesis, you would have to find a situation where leadership change wasn't caused by strategy change.

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Yeah well OpenAI did destroy the non-profit part at the very least.
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> Nothing wrong with that.

There definitely are many things wrong with that, of course. Lighting someone else's money on fire and walking away is highly unethical.

The real question is: what are the motivations for companies to pretend that their AI is world-ending, and what do they want out of the disquiet caused by them saying that?

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Haha, do you think those people are concernced with ethics?
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Do you mean you also disagree with the person above saying "Nothing wrong with that"?
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Except it doesn't actually slow down the research. If anything it would likely drive investors to contribute more to the competitor that didn't destroy their own company and now you have the same amount of progress and a monopoly.
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“I couldn’t possibly take action to save the Earth unless I get to be the only person taking action to save the Earth.”

Well that certainly tracks with what I know about these people and their twisted philosophy.

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Isn’t this essentially the same argument used to justify nuclear proliferation?
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