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This is the core hubris of everyone behind the LLM craze. I do not want to deny their utility there absolutely is some there. But the inherent assumption behind the whole thing is that with a "country of geniuses" problems will melt away. But that's not the case. The reason problems like housing or famines or war aren't being solved is because structurally there's no incentives to solve them not because there's not enough geniuses out there.
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And the LLMs exist to further those problems. People can't afford houses? Well, now they won't be able to own computers either. That's a feature, not a side effect. Once the K-shaped economy progresses enough, you won't even be allowed to use the LLMs. They'll exist only to be a tool for the new feudal class who owns you.

Unless you destroy their wealth now.

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> That's a feature, not a side effect.

You’re implying that the deep lizard state planned the LLM craze?

Sama might be a lizard..

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Once capabilities catch up with the demand (~which is in few years - it just takes time to build!) average person will have much better access to higher quality and cheaper hardware. It's literally how it has always worked, I don't understand why would it be different this time. There's zero substance in your comment, just repeating tired tropes from twitter.
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A market requires scarcity, because scarcity is what neccesitates trade.

You can't invoke market mechanisms to defend a post-scarcity scenario.

Why would the ai owners make things cheaper or even available at all once their abundance machines give them everything they want?

What would they get out of if it?

You can't argue "this will change everything" and "this is how it's always worked" simultaneously and that is the core oversight behind AI boosters.

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> The reason problems like housing or famines or war aren't being solved is because structurally there's no incentives to solve them not because there's not enough geniuses out there.

Rather: these problems are not solved because there are not enough geniuses who are capable of convincing the masses to send the responsible politicians to hell.

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In America anyways, we send the “responsible politicians” to hell every 2-6 years. People vote for this.
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and yet... it feels like we are actually a one party state most of the time.
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Maybe underneath it all we really do want the same thing…
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The party of corporate interest?
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A great deal of the supposed smartest people have fully sided with fascism, it's not about smarts
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This is broadly the same people who bemoaned the idea that the "smartest people in a generation" were all just working on adtech without any reflection about maybe that's not actually an exclusive set of the smartest people... or that a lot of the people in that set were the same one who might, twenty years ago, otherwise be chasing money as middlemen in finance vs doing productivity-expanding things anyway...

You can be smart and chase the money, but it's crazy hubris to assume that only your peer set of money-chasers are smart.

It's a small leap from there to "since we're the only smart people, we should get to have the most influence."

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I’ve heard people say variations of, “Clever people can easily convince themselves of just about anything, if they’re inclined to. And then it’s nearly impossible to talk them out of it.”

Kinda seems true. And the worst people in history often don’t seem super dumb, despite their various other defects.

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"Supposed" is doing a lot of work there. Compare, say, Yudkowsky et al. to the people who actually changed the world with mRNA vaccines.
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Yudkowsky is hardly an example of someone who has sided with the fascists.
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> Rather: these problems are not solved because there are not enough geniuses who are capable of convincing the masses to send the responsible politicians to hell.

People support policies that make housing much less affordable (e.g. rent controls) and oppose policies that would make housing more affordable (e.g. zoning reforms). Saying that it's evil politicians that cause this crisis is dishonest - it's what people want.

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People by and large don’t understand the second and third order effects of their policy preferences. It’s not that they don’t want those things, it’s that the world is more complicated than their mental model insists it is. Politicians could try harder to fix the fundamental problems but they don’t because the long-term solutions don’t manifest until after the next N (very expensive) election cycles.
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The politicians are those who created the respecting laws.

"Convincing the masses to send these politicians to hell" is thus nearly isomorphic to making the masses hate politicians who create such laws, which at least very likely implies that by convincing the masses to send these politicians to hell, a different mindset emerges in the masses.

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For that you might need the kind of geniuses who write stirring books about principles and values. Or whatever the modern equivalent of those books is. Maybe nobody would pay attention to that kind of advocacy in the present day, not sure why. But it's not tech geniuses, anyway. Much though tech has power as a catalyst.

I suppose there was Project 2025, and there was that book about the inevitability of Russian hegemony (or empire or something) that Putin liked. Those got attention with influential people. Not sure what to conclude from that.

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Yes, many of the problems are 'features not bugs'. There's no reason to think the AIs won't dream up more of these'features' too.
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To add insult to injury, we're being told: "Just trust us bro, however we make things worse now will totes be redeemed as the prophesied god-mind magically fixes it later."

Strangely, they never discuss the possibility that Multivac might seize all their wealth and cast them down into average-ness. What if it actually comes about, but then it tells us to do the things we already refuse to do?

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What is up with this attitude in this thread? AI has taken off programming basically this year, the end of last at best. The first truly capable LLM, ChatGPT, isn't even 4 years old yet.

Just a crazy amount of doom and gloom all around this thread.

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I'm immensely sad every day seeing all these posts talking about billions and trillions of dollars and where I live (part of the US btw) we don't even have fully reliable electricity and water access. In fact our electricity bills have increased and there is nothing to show for it.

I don't understand why these big labs aren't doing more to improve the electricity situation. Dump a billion dollars worth of tokens into fusion analysis, research, and simulations and try to force a breakthrough. You could buy a lot of good will with unlimited cheap energy that liberates us from fossil fuel dependencies.

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OpenAI and Sam Altman are literally backing a nuclear fusion power startup.
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"Startup"

Wait until you have clean energy sources and shut it down

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Mathematics and programming is verifiable and fully controllable in a digital environment.

Fusion research and cancer research requires expensive experimentation in the real physical world. You can’t just throw a billion dollar worth of tokens to handle the problem.

Look at all the roadblocks for data centre buildouts which the industry certainly has a financial incentive to complete as fast as possible.

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This is sort of my take. You could look around in 2016 and 2026 and honestly not much has changed... at least at first glance. There is a missing piece of the puzzle.

I'm noticing this even in industry. Yea, we can build and iterate on ideas 100x faster but has this turned into anything meaningful? Not really... Hell, look at the big companies spending billions on inference... nothing shipped and things are still buggy as ever. Where is everything?

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The job market had changed that's for sure.
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We went from spending a lot of money on people to enshitify products and then charge more for them to spending a lot of money on agents to enshitify products to charge more for them.
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That's what I'm saying.

Not only from the big companies. Where is the explosion of disruption ?

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Sure, it did some meaningful things:

* Higher load on senior engineers who are about to burn out hard from fighting an endless battle against unreviewed slop people keep trying to yeet into production

* Less junior hiring and suppressed wages

* Culture of uncertainty and fear

* Computers are really expensive now

* Some people now live with diesel generators and gas turbines making their neighborhood hazardous to their health

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>You could look around in 2016 and 2026 and honestly not much has changed

I find 2026 much more repulsive compared to 2016.

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At least for me, personal agents have been quite useful. If you integrate them well - shopping, filling random government forms, keeping track of my personal life, optimizing training plan and nutrition, planning vacations, etc. I can do more home repairs or renovations myself with help of chat

So basically you get personal digital assistant - very useful - but not changing my life.

What would I need for real transformation though? Food, house cleaning, commute - "every day chores". Even if we had ASI tomorrow, what could it do to change my life, besides taking away my job? Design good house robot to help me with food preparation I guess... Maybe finally self driving cars launched in my area? Or it will take control, "optimize humanity survival chance" and realize we don't need as many people on this planet.

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Almost every time I use an AI chatbot it eventually turns out it's lying to me. I would not trust them with any of the things you mention.
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This is the kind of gap in shared understanding that is widening.

When people use words like “chatbot” to talk about their AI use and can’t really name basic things like the model they were using, it reveals a wide chasm between the people who are deep into understanding how to use these things and those who poke at easy options every few months and then look for ways to confirm their priors instead of trying to understand how other people are getting value.

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The incentives seem to be lined up to push users to the frontier of "how much can the harness around the model do and claim without most people pushing back on the claims."

The bigger the pile of stuff you have the tool create unsupervised, the more incomplete/inaccurate the overall picture of it is gonna be. That doesn't matter for most hobbyist/helper-tool/game-port/etc type of tasks.

I get a ton of value out of the tools and yet part of that value has come from being hyper-aware of the shape of the limitations, which changes much less and more slowly than the specific of the limitations.

"How'd you notice that one!?" - well, it helps to be the only person on the team who took the time to interrogate the e2e interaction of all the code...

The median piece of OSS software was already pretty rough once you had to depend on it in production at scale to make money. The median piece of the new AI-generated wave of software, also pretty rough.

The bet that OpenAI/Anthropic is making is that they can automate the interactions generally/globally enough to work around this and eliminate the need for humans in the loop. But it's a tricky problem because it's precisely where the permutations and special cases get nasty and much harder to deal with than more broadly-applicable cases of codegen/test-gen/mash-it-until-the-tests-pass-and-the-code-review-angent-is-happy.

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using skills with opus 5.5 and agents for each individual task that have shared knowledge of all of your records does not lead to a significant increase in trustworthiness
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I have ChatGPT Pro and it sources every single thing. For my Asia trip right now it's been helping me every single day to figure out optimized routes on what to do and where to go (if I feel like it, not to say I don't wander around too).
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That sounds terrible. I like to live like a human being
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When is the last time you used an AI chatbot, and do you only use the free versions?
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Which model? Super weird
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Every time I use Google search AI for anything more complicated than a search query I feel that way. A paid model from pretty much anyone is much better.
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> Almost every time I use an AI chatbot it eventually turns out it's lying to me. I would not trust them with any of the things you mention.

If you talk to free chatgpt, sure.

But if you launch Opus 5.5 in claude code - for some reason Opus is the smartest for me, even for "general" type of questions, when launched from Claude Code. It has harness/prompts optimized for correctness, while more "customer-grade" products, even when used with top model tend to optimize for latency. And I tend to give "context" - e.g. I have "personal wiki" + skills for lots of those things.

I don't recall i last few weeks where Opus 5.5 in CC made an obvious lie, made an unreasonable assumption, or made a mistake that smart human couldn't make. E.g. if it "failed" it failed in a way that non-genius human could fail in similar way.

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opus 5.5 uses agents and skills in chat sessions as well and maintains internal context that it tries to distill from what you provide

I tried to have it write a synopsis website for the different types of dance patterns in Dance Dance Revolution, with guides on their execution, explanations, and provided song sources. I provided all of the source articles and search websites needed for it to be able to do that, and gave it a sample set I wanted it to utilize and build off of.

It has bits and pieces of information wrong in 90% of the sections it created. Poor song choices, missing song choices, incorrect explanations, incorrect step-patterns, the list goes on.

If you're not an expert in a given field for which you're using it, it's going to look like a genius. If you are, it's untrustworthy and borderline useless.

Maybe it wouldn't be if there were ample training data on my topic, but there isn't.

It utilized the research from millions of papers many very close to the destination answer to make those proofs. What would it do on something that isn't supported like that? Be confidently wrong while sounding right. That's what we've seen repeatedly.

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> If you're not an expert in a given field for which you're using it, it's going to look like a genius.

For someone highly literate, llms aren't going to help you write better. If you're borderline functionally illiterate (this is > 50% of the population according to some studies), I'm sure the llms are awesome.

I've long thought the same about all the hype around coding (plenty of examples from years ago now), but will continue to test the new models. They are improving.

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>AI is solving mathematics problems (that nobody - including mathematicians - wanted it to solve)

Do people need permission from mathematicians to solve math problems? Is one of the Millennium problems not worth applying a new system to work on it?

I understand the despair people are feeling at AI automating their work, but we have to be serious about the fact that the frontier labs are just responding to natural incentives. Mathematics, coding, all are just applications of logic, and it makes sense that a system trained on inferring patterns from data would work well in that domain.

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You are misunderstanding what mathematics research is. Its objective is the development of human understanding of mathematics. This requires open problems to research. AI are “solving” the open problems without creating any human understanding.
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OpenAI to this day is not aware if they solved or not Navier Stokes.

Mathematicians are not gate keepers but I understand the frustration. If someone claims they spent 30 million dollars to solve one of the most difficult problems yet there’s no new knowledge, understanding, nor certainty. Then what’s the point besides marketing?

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I don't think it's surprising that it hasn't improved life much, AI is new and change takes time, but the fact of the matter is that it also made things worse in some ways, ways that I think were entirely avoidable, if only the incentives weren't so warped.
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This is a Western-centric viewpoint. I'm in Asia visiting a few different countries right now, including the big ones, and much has changed with AI and also in general over the past 10 years with cars, trains etc.

> AI is solving mathematics problems (that nobody - including mathematicians - wanted it to solve)

Strange viewpoint. In mathematics any novel result is useful as it expands the scope of other results. Who are these mathematicians who didn't want AI to solve the problems it did? I see trepidation about the future of the field but that is not equivalent to not wanting them to be solved.

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Terence Tao and the apparently newly formed Association For Human Mathematics. The post is online-famous now for the line "Mathematicians did not ask for this work to be done."

https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2026/10/07/ahm-statement-on-o...

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When I was a young man reading gauss, and thinking before I turned the page, I see a result here, something meaningful! and then I turn the page, and of course it is there. There is no shame in this.

A long time ago, another student of mathematics described it to me as climbing a mountain. No single step is hard, but you must make many steps to get to the point that no one else has made a step.

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I'm curious, care to name a few things that have changed in Asia with AI (and wouldn't have without)?
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That is not how math works. There are reasons why the Riemann integral is pervasive and the Labague integral is rarely used unless needed. Just because you can do something does not mean that you should.
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This view is too cynical. The frontier advancements are certainly going to trickle down. Take cars for example. AI driven cars are already here. AI-designed battery systems, fuel systems, materials and 3d printing capabilities will come to cars. It will likely lead to cheaper, more efficient and more effective vehicles. If will just take time for the impact to percolate.
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If you look at the average price of a new car, adjusted for inflation, it has pretty much always gone up aside from recessions. There have been plenty of advancements in car technology, they do not make them cheaper. It actually gives reason to charge more for them due to perceived increase in value.
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Yes but you're getting a lot more for the same price. It's a lot more powerful, comfortable, safe and efficient while the effective cost has remained the same.
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My prediction is that while those “advancements” may come to cars, the only practical differences will be lower quality products, cost savings for the car companies, probably more expensive for consumers, and somehow it will also be collecting more data to sell to advertisers.
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Just a few more weeks, a few more hundreds of billions, it's right around the corner....
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AI car navigation is here, but driving is a social act. Have you ever tried to keep an automated taxi out of a private driveway or the scene of an emergency? There is a lot of work to do and limited evidence of LLMs raising the bar.
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Ah yes, the famous "trickle down" theory, which you may know from its smash hit "trickle down economics"! Surely this time it'll be different, right?
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How can you say tickle down economics doesn't work? The US has made it easier for businesses to grow and the result is the highest standard of living ib tje world.
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I think it's hard to quantify "highest standard of living", but for the attempts at it (e.g. HDI, etc), the US is not number one.
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Hate to break it to you, but the US doesn’t even break the top 10 in a lot of reports.
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Trickle-down economics specifically refers to economic policy that favors the wealthy and corporations with the argument that this will lead to wealth trickling down to the economically less fortunate. Examples include the Reagan and Trump tax cuts.

This has been studied somewhat extensively (https://academic.oup.com/ser/article/20/2/539/6500315?login=... is one example), and it’s been shown over and over that this does in fact not work and leads to larger wealth disparity, across many countries where it has been attempted.

It’s possible you’re working off some other definition of the term based on your comment but that’s the generally accepted usage.

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Worse, the view is largely phrased as gaslighting AI. Blaming the cause of particular grievances that coincidentally have been sourced at the same time as the rise of AI, is purposeful.

> [Your train] never comes on time. Fuel is more expensive. The roads are still congested with traffic. Your kids are (probably) doing worse at school. Food costs more. Houses cost more. Rent is higher. Buying a computer or a PS5 is more expensive. Politics is still full of mentally unstable people. The environment is getting worse. You will still die of heart disease or cancer. Food quality is worse. Your kids can't find work. Wealth inequality is accelerating.

None of this has to do with AI.

> But hey...on the flip side...a lot of people are rapidly building software (that nobody is using), and AI is solving mathematics problems (that nobody - including mathematicians - wanted it to solve)

Plain wrong on both counts.

> Imagine what a "country of geniuses in a datacenter" will be able to do Apparently...nothing.

Nonsequitor, probably based on a personal beef. Datacenters, at best, are understood to be for hosting more AI - not for people to somehow live in as an arcology of discovery.

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Using AI for everything digital, I end up going and doing chores while waiting for the LLM to do its thing. What an insane world, where knowledge work (dreary and uninspired as it is) is automated while I am consigned to scrubbing dishes and waiting for the machine.
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Buy a dishwasher, you won't regret it!
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I think this is related to the structures we’ve built in society. It’s lower friction to write software than just about any of the problems you listed.

It reminds me of the Ezra Klein quote that “OpenAl would need permits to cover its parking lot in solar panels, but it can accelerate into recursive self-improvement, as best I can tell, whenever it so chooses."

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Soon: The super-intelligent AI is telling us to cover parking lots and other flat roofs in solar panels.
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AI has only been around a few years in its current form.

It might take a decade to take what we learned from AI and turn it into something that will benefit the masses.

Most of it can't be broken down into something as simplistic as a dishwasher.

Most people won't notice cancers being found faster due to AI being better at pattern recognition than a doctor, but it's still a great benefit.

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LLMs could’ve been developed a lot slower without capsizing the entire supply chain and been seen a lot more positively, China is building a lot of good AI with a minuscule of the compute power and it’s fine

there was never a need to rush other than for capitals self interest to control

if frontier labs wanna pace the frontier, they should be honest and return the compute back to the people

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China is building good AI by distilling American models. I think that's a great thing, but Chinese progress is currently dependent on American progress, because China lacks the compute to train the largest models (as stated by DeepSeek's founder[1])

[1] https://sumsec.me/2026/liang-wenfeng-investor-meeting-transc...

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I think one of the hopes is they'll get smarter than us and able to solve real world problems better - disease, war, poverty etc. But they are not really there yet. Give it a little while.
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Whatever benefits AI has to offer on a societal level are going to take a long long time to show up, give it some more time. We had smartphones in 2007, and e.g. By way of example, Uber didn't launch ridesharing until 2013, and then that still took years to seep into the public awareness.

By comparison, we're in the early years of AI. We're all still figuring out what this thing even means.

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I agree with you, but those examples are going to fall on deaf ears. The pessimistic mindset will say that smartphones were a terrible invention that's ripping society apart, Uber is an unethical company exploiting workers, etc.
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When did Uber stop being unethical? Did I miss the memo?

Because they didn't just break laws, they built an entire system to mislead law enforcement.

(How do tech people not know about Greyball??)

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A lot of the problems you list can’t be solved for entirely non technical reasons. There is no political will to solve them.

We are in that condition because people keep voting for these idiots, or not voting at all.

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That pretty much sums up my experience. Everything is more expensive and worse at the same time. And it feels like we're being screwed over from every direction and in new ways every day. People keep talking about this tech is supposed to do so much but everything just gets worse.
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It's not true that everything is more expensive. Nominal prices are higher, but real income has risen faster than inflation. Purchasing power of the average person in 2026 is higher than it was in 2016.
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What time scales are you using to make this judgement?

Everything isn't getting worse constantly. The data is quite clearly the opposite. How old are you?

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Is it reasonable to expect AI improvements to filter into all of those aspects of life that quickly? It's only in the past 3-6 months that we've started to see major breakthroughs in mathematics. It might take several years for that level of research capability to get adopted in areas like engineering and medicine, at least in a way that impacts the average person's quality of life. But at this point it seems highly likely we'll get there eventually.

Your pessimistic view doesn't hold up against the data. For a lot of the problems you mentioned, we're in a better place today than almost any other time in history. Of course, things can always be improved and we should never grow complacent or accept injustice. But by most objective metrics, there's never been a better time to be alive.

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Why fix your appliances and infrastructure and give you healthcare when the plan is to obsolete the whole lot of you?
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Publicly-accessible AI started working 1 year ago, 2 years tops. What did you expect? It to solve war driving prices up?
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I mean there's been huge strides in electric vehicles at low prices that Americans haven't experienced.

We've just locked out a large part of modernity because the shitty American auto industry is in swing states and also gender.

Same could be said about the slow rollout of Waymo.

Lots of America is just very anti technological change, and this means any technology no matter how "magical" hits a wall.

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https://nitter.xitter.cc/augeeidos/status/210940046382122618...

This reply summarizes the problem from a different angle.

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This is an interesting perspective.

Nevertheless, my counterpoint to

> If they actually had access to systems that could do "years of top professional work" across software, cyber, science, and math, they would not mostly be leaving to start more chatbot companies, agent frameworks, eval tools, and "AI for workflow" startups.

> They would be starting normal companies to disrupt the global economies of the world.

> Insurance companies. CAD companies. Compliance companies. Security auditing firms. Logistics software. Tax automation. ERP replacements. Drug discovery tooling. Industrial design. Legal ops. Accounting systems. Boring vertical SaaS with insane output per employee.

is:

Many people who work in such industries already know an insane amount of inefficiencies. Unluckily, they are not in positions and have no political power (with respect to organizational policy) in the company that they are capable of changing the situation.

Additionally, many of these sectors are heavily regulated, so it is very hard to make a difference in this sector as a startup founder, and even if there is an entrpreneur who founds a company to change the status quo, an insane amount of work in the company will be handling the big amount of red tape.

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>Your car is still the same.

Not for Tesla owners in select countries, where their car now drives them around 99% of the time, or the people of Austin Texas, that can now hail a fully driverless Cybercab for cheaper than an Uber!

>Food quality is worse.

Food quality is higher than ever if you want high-quality food!

Unfortunately, the people crave slop.

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> But hey...on the flip side...a lot of people are rapidly building software (that nobody is using), and AI is solving mathematics problems (that nobody - including mathematicians - wanted it to solve)

That's not fair. To first approximation, most of the progress in human condition of the last, like, forever is implementing solutions that people didn't see value in at the time of creation. Woz built a toy that could barely run software at all. The human genome project was panned as a boondoggle. Penicillin was a mistake.

The first fire pit probably looked like a dangerous stunt to the tribe faced with it, even.

Does that mean everything will come up roses? No. But LLMs only started talking to us for real like three years ago. Let's not just that fast.

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I'll add some...

Videos are shittier. Most songs are even shittier than the autotuned pieces of shit already were. Ads are worse (even though nobody thought that was even possible). Customer support is worse.

> But hey...on the flip side...a lot of people are rapidly building software (that nobody is using)

That nobody is using and that are worse than what we used to have. And because nobody's using them, the countless issues plaguing them aren't even reported by users anymore (there are no users anymore). Full of bugs, usability issues and gigantic security holes (but which doesn't really matter because nobody's using them).

It's not even clear that it's making long-standing software (like say Linux or Emacs or Blender or QEMU) better at all.

Now I'd say though: most of the issues you mentioned have nothing to do with LLMs / AI. But it's very clear that AI ain't solving much of the world's problems and that the promises we got years ago didn't materialize.

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All you said is true, but on the flip side it is giving an individual user huge power over software. To create their own, to reverse engineer proprietary ones. Decentralisation of such power can only be a good thing.

Even if a certain small group of people are also using the hype surrounding this tech to attempt to destroy the home PC market and reverse the personal computer revolution. They will not succeed. There is more of us than them. Even with "thousands of frontier LLMs". A human+llm is going to be more powerful for a long time rather than a bunch of LLMs.

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The power isnt really decentralized when you see that the internal AI models are superior than anything you can self host, and the right to use those can be stripped away at any time.
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Correction: My car spies on me and its cruise control no longer works because it slams on the brakes in the middle of the highway whenever it sees a mirage. My dishwasher broke because it got an unasked-for software upgrade.

Things worked better before we started putting bad software in everything. As a software engineer, I know what good software looks like. The fact that almost all software is now bad -- including the software that drives AI and the software that AI generates -- makes me want to flip the table. We know how to write better software and the general public should hang us if we continue to refuse to deliver it.

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Probably preaching the choir here, but the software is just a symptom.

The problem are the power-relationships and laws which allow someone to abuse you and your stuff, block competition, and even put you in jail for trying to remove the software or helping others to remove it.

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> Correction: My car spies on me and its cruise control no longer works because it slams on the brakes in the middle of the highway whenever it sees a mirage. My dishwasher broke because it got an unasked-for software upgrade.

Never, ever connect appliances to the Internet. I thought this was common knowledge on HN. Also pull the telematics (cell modem) fuse to prevent your car from snooping on you and selling your location and driving habits to data brokers and insurance companies.

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Have you seen the shareholder value though? That’s not nothing it’s the only thing that matters!
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You are talking like we had this capabilities for a decades but it's been just a few months of truly capable AI. Virtually all of IT switched to agents that quick. Non IT people just started to make software for themselves. Vision and translation capabilities of LLMs help millions. People talk with AI's now verbally to get advice or to just hear a friendly voice. The math thing is just few weeks old. We are just getting started. How fast did the telegraph meaningfuly changed lives for the better for bulk of people? Radio? TV? Computers? Internet? Cellphones?

Has any technology made an impact on physical world faster?

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Exactly, we're all software engineers here and even for us it took weeks/months to get to a position where we can really leverage LLMs (think platform, security, observability, etc).

Imagine being in charge of a physical factory, sure you might have a 200 USD Claude subscription but you also have a floor full of physical machines that have, if you're lucky, an undocumented debug interface and a paper manual. Not to mention safety inspections, insurance, etc.

You can't vibe code a factory floor. Not yet, perhaps in 5 - 10 years but there are some very hard, non technical, problems that need to be fixed before we'll see meaningful improvement there.

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> to just hear a friendly voice

This is far from being proven as a net gain and there are massive lawsuits incoming related to AI recommending suicide to kids and others.

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In all fairness, depression and suicide have existed before LLMs.

Safety systems are not optimal but improving everyday and although I doubt we'll ever get a perfect safety system, it seems that we're not very far from a "good" safety system. The days of Google recommending glue on pizza and generating diverse Nazis seem behind us.

Not to mention all the untold good that LLMs have done. Personally I've seen that LLMs are incredibly good at pointing conspiracy nuts and extremists into the right (moderate) direction.

In a polarised world, we definitely need that.

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I would just add that consumer products in general aren't the same - practically every business model has incorporated obsoletionism to the point it's practically cancelled out the curve of progress and evolution of tech. We could have nice things.
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It’s amazing how much the goal posts move in every AI conversation. A couple of years ago the average HN thread about AI would be filled to the brim with skepticism about AI ever being able to accomplish anything other than flappy bird clones.

Now it’s comments like this lamenting that the amazing LLMs we’ve had since early 2026 haven’t entirely revolutionized the whole physical world and even global geopolitics yet.

> But hey...on the flip side...a lot of people are rapidly building software (that nobody is using),

I guarantee a lot of software you use today has substantial AI development in recent releases.

Even the Linux kernel is getting a heavy input from AI and Linus is advocating for it. Unless you’ve frozen your entire software stack in 2024, you are using software with AI generated code.

> and AI is solving mathematics problems (that nobody - including mathematicians - wanted it to solve)

Saying nobody wants those problems solved is flat dishonest. The complaints from some mathematicians are that they and their peers didn’t get to put their names on the papers, not complaints that the problems were solved.

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"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard for their own interest"

When companies make profit, it doesn't mean we get screwed, nor even that they have a high profit margin. The grocery chain stores are a prime example. They typically make 2-3% net margins on revenue, and provide fresh, clean, reasonably well-tested groceries close to our home for that margin. Imagine trying to get equivalent quality fresh groceries ourselves from the producers, and I'm guessing it would cost at least three times as much.

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Worst system, apart from the other ones.
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I've been thinking about this for 2 years. At some point it will be easier for them to create self sustaining cities - free houses cars public transportation clean food clean water -

Africa is going to look like wakanda in less than 5 years if WW3 gets canceled

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