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But I have a HomePod mini that I use for all of my Matter devices, why would I need a massive device with a screen just for that?

The only difference I can see is multiuser support of which Siri works just fine for me controlling the matter devices in the house that are on my partners Apple account. I can't justify buying a product just for multi user support and have another bulky device sitting in the house.

Apple would've been better off putting a FaceID camera in a Homepod mini or Homepod to get the same functionality.

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But if you already owned an apple tv or home pod, then they already double as a matter and thread hub and you can manage all of apple home from your phone or ipad. Is this being marketed to a family with absolutely no other apple devices?
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Any portable device as a Matter hub would be pretty useless.

The Apple TV and Homepod mini already support Matter.

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How so? A Matter controller just needs to be powered on and exist somewhere on the [wireless] LAN to do its job.

An old iPad on a stand on the table in the breakfast nook is conceptually fine as a Matter controller until someone picks it up and leaves with it, or unplugs it and lets it run out of battery.

Apple forbids this kind of use because it defiles the majesty of their garden and its walls (or something), but that's just Apple doing Apple things.

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> How so?

Expectation of usage. An iPad designer assumes it will be taken all around, leave the house, put in a book bag, etc.

While an old iPad being used as an entertainment management surface won’t, that’s not the prime use case intended for iPad.

Apple decided to focus on products whose primary purpose is a stationary device, like a speaker or a TV-attached device. Sure, you can move them place to place, but most won’t.

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Right. It's a design limitation, and is not at all a capability limitation.

And the usefulness (or lack thereof) of the functionality can never be tested by real people, because at Apple: Design is everything.

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iPad used to be able to act as a HomeKit hub before Matter support, it was phased out starting in iOS 16 and fully removed this year.
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>No iPad – or any portable Apple device - can be configured as a home hub for managing Matter-protocol devices.

hasn't apple been shipping thread radios in devices for a few years now, with no actual use for them? the only thing blocking iPads from being a home hub for managing matter protocol devices is that apple hasn't turned that feature on.

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iPads used to be able to function as home hubs but they explicitly removed that feature a few years ago and made it Apple TV exclusive .
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Apple TV and HomePod have supported acting as a relay for years, but IIRC only if you have another Apple device to use the Home app on.
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I haven't had an Apple TV in years.. it has no home app?
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It has camera access. Voice for most other things. Without a touchscreen, it would be annoying (to me) to use the remote to move around multiple rooms and devices.
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Ah, apparently you can hold down Home on the remote or use Siri to access smart devices from the TV itself.
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