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Similar to how people realized their Google searches were accessible to law enforcement.

“I did not kill my wife!”

“Cool so why did you search for how to hide a dead body the same day she went missing?”

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There was a mom in Utah who killed her husband poisoning him with a moscow mule spiked with fentanyl who googled "luxury prisons for the rich" as well as "how long does life insrance companies takento.pay" "can you delete everythjng on an old icloud account" "can deleted text messages be retrieved" "what information can be cbtained from a cellphone" "how to turn find my iphone off" "can cops force you to do a lie detector test," "when does FBI get involved in a case," "what is considered a lethal.dose of fentanyl" and "what are you allowed inside utah jails."

She took out $2 million in life insurance on him and was having an affair with their handyman and they were having disputes about $$.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/utah-mom-kouri-richins-googled-lux...

After she killed him she authored a children's book about grief for kids.

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A woman who wrote a romance fiction novel called "How to Murder Your Husband" was convicted of murdering her husband

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/26/1101433465/how-to-murder-your...

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Someday AI will kill someone. And, then it'll write a book about it.

It will do that because it read "How to Murder Your Husband" as part of its training.

I'm going to be very confused about how to feel about that.

When we arraign the AI, should there be two counts against it: stealing and murder?

Or, can it plead that "my daddy, Sam Altman, told me to read this, I was born into a moral void."

Plot twist: the judge will be AI from Russia.

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I read arraigning AI like putting down a rabid dog, except worse because you can't transfer to another machine the weights of the dog's brain (yet).
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She tried to poison him twice and he stayed with her. Now, thats ... uh ... love.. i think. She must have been one top notch narcissist to drag him along.
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Similar story for many rap albums. Quite a few rappers have rapped about murders and oops, turns out they really did do it.
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X-Raided comes to mind
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An essay it seems like, which wasn't included in the trial even:

> Crampton Brophy's how-to treatise detailed various options for committing an untraceable killing and professed a desire to avoid getting caught. Circuit Judge Christopher Ramras ultimately excluded the essay from the trial, noting it was published in 2011. A prosecutor, however, alluded to the essay's themes without naming it after Crampton Brophy took the stand.

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Man I really need to stop playing modern setting TTRPGs
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And lose your alibi?
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Yes, what an idiot.

He should have searched "I love my wife".

Then law enforcement would know he couldn't possibly. Open and shut case, Johnson.

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What point are you making here? Do you think a judge or jury would give both of those instances equal weight?
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"I wanted to know what would potential killer would've done because I know you guys are doing fuck all to find her"
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Local AI > Cloud AI

Thus, #NeverSubscribe!

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Also makes it important to not let other people use your LLM account... Could have more far-reaching consequences than having to make good on the offer to buy doughnuts for the office^

^being the classic message that gets sent from the account of someone who didn't lock their computer when they walked away from their desk.

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Same goes for anything you've put into social media, chat apps, or email for at least the last decade or two.
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And anything you put in your phone for the last decade as well
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It starts far before that:

Ive seen people going through Plaud.AI conversation to find "on day X person Y said Z to person W", just to get some amunition against them.

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Isn't this standard C level behaviour?
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Before AI tools like Plaud.AI, this wasnt near possible because of work/time, and no person usually do not remember exactly who said what 6 month before,unless there is some email conversation.

With Plaud, you can check unlimited backwards who said what in which meeting and what was wanted to achieve - very interesting actually to find things in there 6m later, while people said they will do it at ends of month and youself just forgot it already - and these systems allow you to chase exactly these discrepancies.

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> Before AI tools like Plaud.AI, this wasnt near possible because of work/time,

What is "work" to an executive if not using their privileged access to data to violate the privacy of anyone they have a grievance against?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal

This has been happening long before LLMs, and this eBay case is notable only for the fact that it was actually publicly documented and prosecuted, not for the fact that it happened. I've personally been privy to two situations with other companies where the owner was doing something like this but nothing came of it legally. See also Meta employees looking up nudes streamed from people's Meta spy glasses, and Flock-using police stalking their exes. Smaller scale, but this also happens all the time with internet community moderators/admins. Humans are on average cretins, give them authority and the ability to abuse it and they will abuse it.

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I figured any hire at openai would know that at least
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A good chunk of what keeps openai and similar companies afloat is subpar people who are willing if not eager to do crappy stuff to other people. A lot of the world works this way actually.
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"The grapes are sour!" - you
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I dont think it's subpar people.

The only word for it is hubris. The overwhelming sense that your ability in one area has some magical transitive property to ability in another.

Can I write code? Sure. Im a bad designer, I can follow along in accounting, Im a terrible actor.

I would guess that there is much more to this story than just someone "bugging" a conference room. Though I would venture to guess that the keystone cops never get to the bottom of it.

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Word.

Company is another.

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At this points its an IQ test. Stupid people still google exactly what heinous stuff they plan to do and think thats gonna fly.
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Intelligent people are often stupid.

Or, more accurately, people make stupid mistakes when they lack the experience. Intelligent people often succumb to the fallacy that because they can learn things quickly, they can skip the learning part just figure things out as they go.

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It’s good to remember that we rarely hear about the smart people who carefully thought through their crimes and then executed them well.
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Claude, help throw people off my trail by blaming a random openai employee, then delete all my activity.
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Even my non tech elderly parents know that. The fact that they used LLMs to figure out how to best bug the executives really shows how poor their judgement is.
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The weird thing is that I've had other HN users argue with me and claim that LLM chat users should be entitled to privacy, as if it were a priest or lawyer.
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Honestly, that’s on-brand for HN.
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I think people have some awareness, but like search history they believe deleting will resolve that (it won't).
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Yeah if you're logged in to a Google account when you search, clearing your local browser history does nothing.
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Ever since social media, I have always gamed out what would happen if this was ever saved on the backend and used against me in the future.

It’s like thinking about edge cases in programming…

Most people are totally not like that. And it does force you into some difficult choices.

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> And it does force you into some difficult choices.

I gots to know...

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Just read this: https://paulgraham.com/say.html

Paul Graham years ago: “I can’t publicly comment on all this stuff. I would turn into Noam Chomsky.”

Paul Graham on X last couple years…not exactly following his earlier advice.

They get you eventually.

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Paul staying on X was a real failure of judgment imo. He made the right call and then backed out of it. I don't remember if they invited Elon to startup school before or after, either way I don't think that that is the kind of connection you want.
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He was inching into anti-dei culture war stuff so I'm not sure how much he actually disagrees with Musk's political goals so much as he rightly observers that Musk and Trump are complete maniacs.
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Just to be clear, the difficult choice is not whether to use OpenAi/Anthropic/Grok/... versus a local LLM.

The choice is whether to hang out with people with whom you can't be sure they don't have a Plaud/Pocket/.. in their literal pocket which is continuously listening.

Unfortunately the set of such people will eventually be shrinking more and more until eventually only a few tinfoil folks are left. Dystopian? Just think back w.r.t. continuous tracking by Google/Facebook/.. Unthinkable 30 years ago, total standard today. Try to count the fraction of your emails that don't actually reside on a MSFT or Google server because the other end has an account there. That fight is over. You can just as well join them.

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Prepare to have that dug up 20 years in the future during some court proceedings.

Or at the border where it is already routine to ask for social media accounts (especially foreign nationals) you might someday five the border agent your login.

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To be honest, from OpenAI engineer I would expect better.
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Seems like they select for people as dependent on their product as their customers. Maybe it helps them more to have true-believers rather than intelligent people.
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