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What interview was that?

The famous interview I know is when he said:

"I really can't do a good job, any job, of explaining magnetic force in terms of something else you're more familiar with, because I don't understand it in terms of anything else that you're more familiar with"

His point was that fundamental forces cannot be understood as "like" everyday objects, because we don't "understand" everyday objects except as applications of fundamental forces. Using those things to explain fundamental forces would just be circular. He can tell you that a stretching rubber band is due to the electric field, but he can't then turn around and "explain" that the electric field is like a stretching rubber band! Fundamental forces just are, and you understand them by studying them.

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Yes, this sounds like the interview that I was remembering.

>Fundamental forces just are, and you understand them by studying them.

This is largely the point I was trying to make. One must understand QM using non-everyday ideas developed with math and measurement. But once those ideas are held, similes/metaphor (sometimes actual isomorphs) can be useful parts of that understanding and its communication between those that share the basis for that understanding.

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That’s not the meaning of “understand” that was being used. This article points out that nobody understands QM well enough, not even the experts. (Do note the author is an expert!) By “I Don’t Understand”, what he actually means is that QM is incomplete in the same way that Newtonian Mechanics is incomplete; it doesn’t explain physics well enough to understand or explain what’s really there. This is, of course, why there’s an ongoing debate among the experts about what QM even means and how to interpret it.
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A useful analogy might be understanding quantum mechanics versus understanding a computer. In the early days of computing, an engineer might plausibly have known every component in a computer, understood how these components worked, and understood why each one was there. As computers got more complicated, no longer could anyone understand the entire system on that level. But still, as an individual engineer, you can understand the system at a high-level, and for each lower-level component, you can have an approximate idea of why it's there, what it does, and how to learn it in more detail if you ever have to. Any "why" question that you might have about it has a straightforward answer that can be stated in a few sentences.

With quantum mechanics, there's a lot that you have to accept when you learn the subject without understanding why. Why complex numbers? Why infinite-dimensional Hilbert spaces? Why non-commutative algebra? You can kind-of, with great effort, make arguments that all of these are at least reasonable. But nobody really understands "why" at a level beyond "because the theory works".

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You can imagine waterfall of sand - the fluidity here comes from all those small sand particles moving simultaneously.

>>>Physics steeped enough in quantum theory do understand QM enough to have meaningful discussions free (at times) of rigorous math.

That sounds a lot like gate keeping and has no actual backing - to understand QM you still need to understand Physics, as mechanics of both of them are explaining each other - the scale is the only difference.

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The idea is that you can discuss using hand waving while drinking coffee, but after that you must write the complete mathematical calculation, so there is no gate keeping.

Most of the times the formal version with equations agree with the hand waving, but sometimes you have nasty surprises and must learn to hand wave better.

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Why can AI generate pictures of waterfalls if it has never lived on Earth?
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