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There's no meaningful sense in which this is true. If someone steals my bitcoin it doesn't legally make it theirs by virtue of being on their computer.

Being on your computer is neither necessary nor sufficient. Only functioning legal institutions can establish ownership which points to the stupidity of the entire "code is law" philosophy and crypto more broadly

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The problem with Bitcoin being on your computer is that its useless there. No one in the gambling world cares about on-chain exchanges either.

Besides, when its in your computer they send you a modified computer with an esim and steal it just like that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50054092

The whole thing is a shady casino where the code is the law and who knows maybe the Binance guy actually made a deal to send $5B of crypto for a really cool NFT when drunk and now pretends that its a hack? We will never know, the code is the law and the law says that someone else has it now.

In crypto, you should gamble fast lose or win and get out. Pay/receive the ransom and get out. Pay/receive your drug/guns/espionage money and get out. You should never keep crypto if you are not OK with losing it.

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>The problem with Bitcoin being on your computer is that its useless there.

If you want to use the BC on your computer, you can transfer it to wherever you want.

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Like Binance you mean? It's slow, expensive and they get you at the place where you transfer it. You transfer it because its useless in your computer.
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Binance, and most other exchanges, don't charge platform deposit fees. USDC/T is not expensive to transfer.
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crypto has its own chain based fees that are transferred to the miners that when crypto is actually used on chain get much higher than typical banking fees.
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Off peak USDC/T transfer fees are very low, which I referred to in my post. Your comment directly implied that the exchanges take a cut on deposit.
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For many bank transfer fees are 0 and happens instantly. No need to wait for the stars to align.
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Its the difference between gold and fiat.

Pirates wanted gold because they did not belong to any State to issue them IOU.

But owning the gold in a locker and trading with the IOU of the bank means you need to trust the bank instead.

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Pirates of the Spanish Main, Pieces Of Eight popular conception wanted plunder, and gold was being shipped in fat galleons. Fiat currency was not available for them to plunder, because banknotes were not, in any significant commune, mined in Spain's new-world colonies and transported to Castile.

Pirates were not necessarily stateless. Drake sailed with a letter of marque. I'll grant there may be contemporary pirates off the horn of Africa who would be hard pressed to obtain a passport.

Blackbeard's thoughts on financial mechanisms are lost to us, sadly.

I think you're trying to explain that fiat currency is predicated on trust. Thanks; that cleared up some misconceptions.

Unfortunately, it turns out that crypto is also, on inspection, predicated on trust: chiefly, trust in the infosec of whatever party maintains your wallet. That trust has been violated maaany times. I've also personally formatted a disk holding a decent chunk of coin (fuck me for trusting myself).

A better analogy would be if gold could spontaneously vaporise and escape any container. Hydrogen is notoriously difficult to contain - it would be a more accurate metaphor.

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You skipped the step where gold and silver is used as coinage for everyday transactions. You can in fact own the physical metal and spend it without an IOU.
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Although you physically can transact with physical gold. It isn't practical.
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Today or back in the day?

Its absolutely practical to trade in gold/silver historically. Its basically just how europeans do small transactions anyways (coins).

Anything larger its still practically because if you need to buy an expensive item well its going on the ship so who cares if you need a ship or cart to transport the cost of the item when you need a cart anyways to transfer the item.

It’s just mostly impractical at the scale of big business. Imagine banks transport gold or $100,000 bills to each other (but actually look up how they used to drive trunks to each other and fling bags of checks).

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Today or ever? Today I'd expect silver to be more common purely for the market price of it. The only thing stopping people from using metal coins today is that no one else does.

If I were selling a car and someone had gold coins to buy it with, I'd happily take it.

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bitcoins are always on someone elses computer (literally everyones in the bitcoin network). You hold the private key on your computer. Ideally you don't hold it there, but in secure enclave like chip or an airgapped device.
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For many people, email/phone support, password recovery, two factor authentication, etc is it much safer option to self-managing and run the risk of your hardware token or your house burning down, or getting mugged.
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It seems better when it's on an exchange like Binance, because they cover you when it gets stolen.
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we will see if they do.
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> It seems better when it's on an exchange like Binance, because they cover you when it gets stolen.

Assuming they actually can cover the losses financially.

And if they don't good luck suing them.

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For most people, who are end users, it's really not that simple and no you are not wrong.

This comment is a tangent to the article and my experience of trying to use crypto for the first time few weeks ago after watching it from pretty much the day 0. Maybe day 2 or 3 as when bitcoin was launched I was few months shy of leaving college and I just thought it was just an "Internet thing" like many of us did. And I am aware that evne among decentralsied coins BTC might not have been the first, but let's just say it was.

So a few weeks ago, I wanted to make some payment to some sites. There were/are 4-5; one of them is openrouter and similar, but there's one that helps with Linux ISOs. I definitely didn't want to leave my credit card number on those sites (not even on openrotuer). I am wary of leaving my credit card numbers to sites outside my home country India. It's not about better or worse security, it's just about a sense of comfort, or maybe even habit.

There was no expectation or plan for anonymity, privacy whatsoever. Though I would not have minded a bit of privacy on those immediate businesses/sites – as in if someone hacked their systems/DBs they'd find my throwaway email and crypto address (maybe) but if some legal entity investigated they could easily trace it back to my via exchanges and I was fine with that. Yes, I could explore temporary cards and everything but I still had to manage things more than I wanted to.

I created accounts on three crypto exchanges (one was Binance, two from India). I needed those to be complaint to my country's fin/tax laws and I dind't want to deal with anything even remotely p2p (oh, it's quite active here and rarely ends well for end or occasional users like me).

The crowded UX, dark patterns, and absolutely no easy way to figure out how can I just:

- buy some coins

- transfer to my personal wallet (this is deliberately not made straightforward and on some exchanges downright impossible – sometimes hiding it behind some sort of eligibility to do so and even that is hidden further behind some sort of automatic and random eligibility check process)

- get done with it

were just too much. Add to it that I learnt I had to buy some other type of coin(s) just to pay for the gas (chain/network exepenses?). Then suddenly there were additional KYC requirements from payment related parties and then a request for a recorded video of myself.

At that point I was done and had all three of my KYC'ed account closed.

I have always felt crypto coins were a bit weird (as anything unusual feels) but I had never tried it and had assumed as weird as those sounded, those would be very easy to use. How wrong I was. It's a mess and not only because at the end of the day it had to be complaint to real world finance regulations which is what it was supposed to replace in the first place - or was part of the popular appeal at least. It's just a complicated, often costly, and quite often slow mess.

Luckily Apple Pay launched in my country around that time and I was able to use that instead (otherwise I was going to dust off my ancient PayPal a/c) and Apple Pay is an underimplimented and under-supported thing in its own right but that's another story.

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some coins are easier than others, but states definielty have an interest to limit access and make it seem like a really intimidating thing to own.
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