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by aetherspawn4 hours ago |
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upvoteby diydsp3 hours ago|
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It doesnt leave your device...until an authoritarian government extracts it without a warrant. Or a dozen other entities like divorce attorneys, business rivals, legal trolls, false accusers, nation states, teenage hackers, human traffickers.

How often is this endangering info available to anyone at my work or home when someone leaves their laptop open while going to the bathroom for 5 minutes?

It's irresponsible to collect and concentrate this much info on millions of people.

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upvoteby aetherspawn3 hours ago|
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It’s not clear whether this still happens in the “Lockdown” mode that Apple specifically added for people who expect to be in this scenario.
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upvoteby detourdog3 hours ago|
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It's a no win situation. All of this surveillance is happening on the internet right now. All the companies are doing this surveillance Apple happens to be doing it on device. This is the data Apple is trying to prevent from leaving the device. Apple is constantly fighting court battles to protect the data. Apple is always being accused of hampering developers freedom's while trying to safeguard access to this data. All that said turning off Apple Intelligence should eliminate the collection.
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upvoteby ProllyInfamous3 hours ago|
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>All that said turning off Apple Intelligence should eliminate the collection.

Amen.

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upvoteby otterley1 hours ago|
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I hate to break it to you, but the Government doesn’t need your device’s data to get all that information about you if it has the necessary warrants. If you think you can win a battle against any government over the collection of evidence needed to prosecute you, as long as they do it lawfully, you are sorely mistaken.
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upvoteby pessimizer49 minutes ago|
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This makes zero sense, and is delivered in a silly tone. The government can even get information about you when it doesn't have warrants (good luck fighting it after the fact), or got warrants from a secret court. The government cannot get information about you which has not been collected, because that is impossible.
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upvoteby otterley45 minutes ago|
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The point is that that information is already out there. It might not be on your laptop, but it exists.
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upvoteby gilrain49 minutes ago|
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"I hate to break it to you", but it's very rational to take imperfect measures against violation.
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upvoteby otterley44 minutes ago|
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No it isn’t. It’s a waste of time and energy.
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upvoteby petcat3 hours ago|
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If my threat model realistically included all of those things, then I would be very careful about keeping any sort of address book or contact log/history at all. At that point the only defense really is just to try to memorize phone numbers. And only talk when walking together, mob-style.
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upvoteby diydsp1 hours ago|
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Ha, fair. To me its about the concentration of "high quality' or juicy data that makes a person vulnerable. When the stakes get higher, threat, reward, and the temptation for bad action increase.

Btw on android it's easy to make contacts self maintained. And to use an open source messenger so texts dont go through Google's servers. Not same level you're describing, but a huge defense against these "social graph intrusions."

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upvoteby pessimizer46 minutes ago|
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> And only talk when walking together, mob-style.

Both of you will be carrying microphones, walking past people who are carrying microphones, and being video recorded from every building and from the networked doorstops of family homes.

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upvoteby tekacs3 hours ago|
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... I feel like if an authoritarian government could extract the family classifier info from local, they could just extract the damn messages.

And if you think that handful of megabytes is too much, they could extract a million other signals that tell them this, such as who you have pinned in the relevant apps.

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upvoteby ProllyInfamous3 hours ago|
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So why does it keep collecting data when I have chosen to entirely disable Siri?
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upvoteby hashstring1 hours ago|
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Yes, this is the right question to ask.
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upvoteby ProllyInfamous1 hours ago|
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>>"Why does a dog lick its balls?"

>>"Because. he. can..."

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We let them behave this way. Whether this is past tense or future tense is up. to. us.

My brother is a (soon-to-be-former) politician. This is their mentality, "Prosecutor's Disease" [3].

Very happy for my homestate, after these midterms... perhaps we can bump ya'll up from "[L]one-star state" to 2-stars?

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50194833#50208521

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upvoteby cyclopeanutopia3 hours ago|
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What does it mean "fully local"? I have an old "kitchen Macbook" that I'm using pretty much exclusively for stuff like looking up cooking recepies. I don't have any photos there, any messaging apps, etc. But I'm logged in with my Apple account.

And guess what, that "local graph" sees everything I did on my iPhone - I see contacts from all messaging apps, including Signal. I see image-based people clusters, even though there are no local pictures to match faces against.

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