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by slg11 hours ago |
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upvoteby rafabulsing10 hours ago|
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The point isn't that both are using something that might be labeled AI. The point is that the relationship is 100% adversarial at this point, and so you shouldn't feel too bad for asking for a refund when your AI makes a mistake. The company certainly doesn't feel bad, and in fact puts huge amounts of effort into extracting the maximum value not just in general but from you specifically, so maybe just go ahead and do the same to them.
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upvoteby account424 hours ago|
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What you are advocating is a race to the bottom for social norms. Instead lashing out at airlines with shitty business practices with your own shitty actions, maybe go to different ones.
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upvoteby rafabulsing1 hours ago|
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I'm not advocating for a race to the bottom. I think we're at the bottom already, and sadly nothing we can do personally is going to change that.

I don't want people to go out of their way to hurt the companies, purposefully buying tickets they don't want and then refunding them or something. I'm just saying that on the occasion that a mistake happens, you shouldn't feel bad about using whatever legal/procedural recourse available so that you don't have to just eat the cost.

I would go for alternative airlines if there were any. Alas.

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upvoteby _heimdall1 hours ago|
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If there aren't any airlines you agree with you can stop flying. Ultimately the point is to not spend your money with a company whose business practices you so strongly disagree with. If that's the entire industry then so be it.
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upvoteby rafabulsing1 hours ago|
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What do you mean by "so strongly disagree with"?

I've plainly stated that I don't think they are bad to the point you should go out of your way just to attack them.

I also didn't say they are evil, destroying the world or anything like that. If that's what I thought, then yeah, stopping doing business with them altogether might be the best course of action.

But I simply said that you shouldn't feel bad about making use of recourses made available to you by either the law or the company itself. Which I don't think it's at all incongruent with continuing to use these companies' services.

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upvoteby _heimdall57 minutes ago|
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Maybe I misread your point, I'd assume someone would strongly disagree with a company if the the situation is considered 100% adversarial.
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upvoteby matkoniecz1 hours ago|
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which airlines are not doing shitty business practices?

some time ago I was thinking that "well, these dark patterns are there, but I am buying from Ryanair so what I expected"

and then I was buying from more upscale company and it had literally the same dark patterns trying to mislead and upsell you

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upvoteby dzhiurgis3 hours ago|
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Airlines are mostly monopolies. There is almost never an exact competing route.
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upvoteby _heimdall1 hours ago|
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I don't know the last time I looked for a flight and only had a single airline with routes. There's always better and worse options, but that's to be expected.
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upvoteby matkoniecz1 hours ago|
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no matching literally the same products is distinct from being a monopoly

some specific routes may have de facto monopoly but many, many are not

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upvoteby slg10 hours ago|
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> The point is that the relationship is 100% adversarial at this point

If this was the intended point, it could be made in dozens of different ways from increasing baggage fees to decreasing legroom to the death of inflight meals. The specific example was obviously chosen because they can both be connected under the nebulous label of “AI” to make it seem more unfair.

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upvoteby fcarraldo9 hours ago|
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Is it wrong? Let’s just rename it “algorithms”.

They are using algorithms to extract the highest price from you.

You can use algorithms to extract the lowest price from them.

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upvoteby slg8 hours ago|
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Why stop at algorithms? Why not computers, electricity, or math? Some connections can be so loose as to be meaningless which makes attempts to establish them pointless or even potentially counterproductive.
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upvoteby mitxela5 hours ago|
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Yes, they use all that to make you pay more, and you can use all that to pay less.

Capitalism is based on the premise that everyone will be as greedy as possible

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upvoteby ygjb6 hours ago|
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Yeah, that's bullshit.

If/when airlines figure out how to use GenAI to gouge folks they will. Airlines were so eager to enable GenAI and gut service to save money that they rolled out easily manipulated bots and lost money.

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