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by bigstrat200317 hours ago |
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upvoteby joecool102917 hours ago|
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You’re right usually (about not needing blizzaks) but there’s important nuance here. There are warm all season (with usual M+S stamped on, this just means tread pattern, nothing about compound) and winter all-season with a compatible compound for cold conditions. The industry created a logo for the tires some years back it’s like 3 peak mountain snowflake or something. This ensures the compound is soft enough to keep gripping in freezing temperatures. It’s required in some jurisdictions (Quebec I think and maybe some lake effect zones)
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upvoteby Ekaros17 hours ago|
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There is lot of variation between tires. From summer, to all season, to European winter to Nordic winter(studdles or studded). Only Nordic ones designed specifically for snow and ice are really usable in conditions where there is often snow and ice. They fare worse in wet not freezing conditions and ofc in dry.

But not all winter tires are made equivalent.

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upvoteby fifilura16 hours ago|
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I only trust studded tiers (but i live close to a non-paved road that is always very icy during the end of the season).

But that said - there are lots of research that points towards that studded tires kill more people than they save lives because of the asphalt particles they cause.

But then there are people that claim that non-studded cars rely on at least 10% cars with studded tires to make the surface more rugged/rough.

Anyway, down the rabbit hole.

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upvoteby colechristensen17 hours ago|
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Following an ambulance a couple years back I was up to 110 mph on my rather aggressive snow tires and was just fine. Not to say it wasn't a little worse, but I was fine. Everything you're saying is an exaggeration. A whole lot of people in snowy areas don't drive with snow tires and are usually fine. Good snow tires are a bit of a superpower up north but we all learn how to drive without them being a requirement outside of times where traveling at all is questionable.
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upvoteby antupis17 hours ago|
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Difference is pretty big if it’s icy like breaking 100 meters vs 10 meters. Especially if there’s wildlife like reindeers/moose’s you are going to do emergency breathing semi regularly.
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upvoteby literalAardvark17 hours ago|
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If it's icy there's no difference at all. The only tyres that do anything on ice are the ones with spikes or chains.

If it's snowy a good modern all weather tyre can hold its own, but will brake a few feet later than a good winter tyre.

In all other conditions a good all weather is a lot better than winter tyres, and pretty close to a good summer tyre.

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upvoteby nucleardog17 hours ago|
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I... Well, I had started explaining point by point how wrong this is but frankly the answer is just "all of it, very".

I've driven summer tires, all season tires, winter tires, and studded winter tires in every season in Canada. (Yes, I live in Canada and own borderline-usless summer-only tires. Yes, I've tried driving them in snow.)

None of what you're saying lines up with my own experience, various YouTube videos on braking distances, or literally anything else I've ever seen anywhere.

Edit: And, well, to be clear... I've lived on the West coast of Canada where it's a bit more mild but you're in the mountains, in the middle where it hits -50, and in the East where it only hits -30 but snows like hell.

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upvoteby kalleboo14 hours ago|
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There are also actual studies that show the difference https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-66968-2_...
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upvoteby literalAardvark6 hours ago|
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Yes, there are. And they show that it's a trade-off well worth investigating. Do you really want 10% better performance on snow at the cost of 10% worse performance on tarmac?

How much do you drive on snow anyway? Probably nowhere near as long as you do on tarmac, even in a tough winter.

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upvoteby ThrowawayTestr17 hours ago|
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You must live in Florida or be a terrible driver. The difference between winter and all seasons is very apparent.
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upvoteby Slothrop9916 hours ago|
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Just pointing out - a lot of snowy areas are very aggressive about plowing (and salting). For most people this is probably like "don't drive tomorrow" and not some need for knobby snow tires.
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upvoteby kjkjadksj5 hours ago|
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Even when the road is dry the rubber compound is a lot softer on winter tires so you get significantly more grip than all season or summer in cold temps when they get hard.
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upvoteby literalAardvark17 hours ago|
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It is.

However the difference between winter and a modern all weather (it's a different class) isn't.

And yes, we're probably terrible drivers.

I do not live in Florida. 45N, continental winters.

I'm never using winter tyres again unless society breaks down and no one shovels the roads anymore.

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upvoteby kjkjadksj5 hours ago|
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There are laws of physics you can’t hand waive away. Winter tires are really more cold temp tires. The rubber formulation is different to allow for grip in the cold and dry (tread pattern for cold and snow). As such a winter tire wears heavily driven in the summer, rubber formulation is just too soft.

For an all season that level of summer wear would be unacceptable. So a different formulation is used to improve summer wear at the cost of the winter low temp performance. You can’t have it both ways, a long wearing summer performance and good sub 40 degree grip.

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upvoteby literalAardvark5 hours ago|
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Please read the studies in this thread.

Modern high quality all weather tyres are excellent in summer and winter.

Except on actual snow, where they're just ok, because of the hybrid sipe patterns, and ice, where they suck exactly as much as everything else except studded tyres (which suck on tarmac instead).

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upvoteby ThrowawayTestr3 hours ago|
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Even after the streets are plowed there's still a bit of snow on the main roads and a lot on the side roads. Maybe you live in a place with really mild winters, but my car would have drifted into a ditch many times this winter if I didn't swap my tires.
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upvoteby literalAardvark1 hours ago|
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No one is saying to drive all year with your summers. Those will glass in winter.
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