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I agree, returns are where amazon crushes it. I feel like there should be some startup just focusing on making the perfect returns product for small brands. Just do anything including at home pickup and then figure out how to optimize later.
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I had to return iSpring RO system bought through their official portal. It came as a shock to me that I had to pay for shipment that was 70% of the contents value. IMO that's the way to discourage returns.
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Much better that nearest post office. Take it to the nearest whole foods and don't even bother with the box.
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I had the option to return to a Sheetz a couple of weeks back. Totally unattended kiosk, scan QR code, bag item and drop it in.
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And while you're there....look at these delicious organic local strawberries for $4.99....
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This doesn't work for all of their items- some have to go to a larger Amazon return location, and you must provide packaging. I'm not sure what triggers this.
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> Got a dud? Quality not as expected? Ordered two by mistake? Size is not fitting?

I totally agree, but I find the quality of the items I get off of Amazon to generally be a lot less than other places I chose to shop. Likely due to the fact that I intentionally shop on other sites for specific products but on Amazon I get things that just aren't necessary for me so I spend less time curating the purchases.

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Yeah, returning ends up being the clencher for me for a lot of Amazon stuff.

If I think there's basically no likelihood of me returning something, I'll sometimes shop elsewhere, but for anything where there's even a chance of me not liking it for whatever reason I will buy on Amazon now.

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Personally I’m happy to pay 20% extra elsewhere just to know that Bezos is not getting any of my money.

But I’m weird like that; I also think ordering everything online is inherently immoral (provided you are an able bodied person living in a city)

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Why is it immoral to order things online?
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i'm guessing he means "and thereby putting a neighbor out of business."

recycling isn't convenient, but people do it with an eye to the greater good.

it's not hard to imagine that an Amazon monopoly is not for the greater good.

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I agree entirely that shopping on Amazon is immoral, but it's hard to understand how that extends to ALL online shopping.
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The tradeoff for consumers is that convenient returns are cheaper to implement than quality control.
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i'm happy to pay a convenience fee to not have to set up an account to order from each individual store. having my address and payment info in one centralized superstore is way better than having it spread around dozens of niche businesses
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apple pay is pretty damn convenient and seemingly secure. open a webpage and scan the apple qr like code and it's all done without much worry. maybe there's a mitm attack but i feel like you have a better shot at getting a refund from apple(i admit i've only used it a few times and nothing substantial or expensive)

i believe it also autofilled the address form for me.

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I was floored the other day doing an Amazon return. It was a rented office space, with just a window where you drop off your item to a clerk. I peeked inside it was floor to ceiling packages and toys and items. And there was a line behind me.

The sheer logistics and human will that made that possible is crazy to me.

Extrapolate to multiple locations in Miami alone. Then Florida. Then East Coast. Then USA. Then Europe. Global locations.

Who is in charge of all this? How do they keep track of all this? How do they identify a tiny little podunk location is fucking up and how do they find someone they can trust to run it?

It's crazy! Think about it next time you return something to Amazon.

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As I understand it they just stop there. They pallet stuff up and sell it in bulk to someone who then proceeds to part ways with it on eBay or something like that. I think most of the mass market companies do this. Costco is well known for this.
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At the online retailers I've worked at (not Amazon) returned items get split into a small number of groups.

A person returns a $5000 RTX 5090? A manager will be paged, who will carry it over to the high value items cage, in full view of the CCTV.

A person who returns a $5 bike light? And that person has also spent $$$$ over the years with a 0.5% return rate? Straight on the pallet of mixed returns without even opening the package.

Medium-value returns and customers with an eyebrow-raising return rate get a medium amount of inspection.

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If you own some floor space and want something to do with it then you can join the amazon SPN (service provider network) and offer international returns processor.

The returns processor either boxes up many individual items heading for the same destination into a Master Carton or arranges to dispose of the item somehow depending on how the seller wants their returns handled.

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Modern slave labour economics
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Except you don’t have the choice to “pay 10% extra just to buy from Amazon”. Amazon force sellers to set not-lower price everywhere else.
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That’s the article’s story, but in practice vendors offer coupons that give a lower price on their own site.
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Just bear in mind that if they don't like how often you return or the circumstances, they will issue you a sudden lifetime ban

But also if you go to support chat (not via the order details, which often rejects attempts at getting support) via the site footer, and escalate to an agent, you can tell them you don't have a post office that's easy to get to for you and don't drive etc. and they will just issue you a refund (if it's a quality problem). Done this many times when the product was damaged.

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> Just bear in mind that if they don't like how often you return or the circumstances, they will issue you a sudden lifetime ban

I think that if I had to return frequently, I'd find a different vendor well before Amazon would decide they don't want me as a customer.

On the rare occasion I want a return, I've assumed that the reason they handle it without any issue is because they can see my lifetime purchase value vs. my return rate.

Maybe they don't care about my stats I guess but whichever way I'm currently happy in that regard.

I do worry that the competition is being wiped out, but I don't believe in boycotts for idealistic antitrust reasons.

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Your second paragraph seems to explain your first.
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Is your implication that they are cheating Amazon by claiming there is no easy return route? Or are you saying that their many returns drew a ban even when they were being approved for them?

There is too little detail in the GP to draw a conclusion, so this comment seems unfair.

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They're accusing me of cheating Amazon and having experienced a ban myself. Neither is the case and my post didn't indicate either being so.

IDK why I'm catching an accusation and downvotes by telling people about Amazon customer support protocols that are internal policy but not documented publicly: that they will ban you for returns past some threshold of frequency and price, and they offer refunds for items that arrive damaged even if they first push you to spend your time returning them instead.

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You're suggesting I've been banned for abusing the service?

I've never been banned and I don't abuse it. What I said is also true, that I don't drive etc.

I don't need to have been banned myself to know how they've operated with others. And seeking refunds for goods that were damaged upon arrival is not abuse. There's no need to give in to their first preference to return an item when it is in fact their policy to process refunds for them too, they just hide it behind customer service protocols instead of exposing it in UI. You don't need to settle for the first suggested remediation from a business's customer service to be ethical, or shaming people for escalating. That's just being a chump.

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Not accusing you (or the imaginary person who returns many things but can't reach a post office, UPS store, etc, since you've made it clear that isn't you) of abuse. But it makes sense that they are doing analysis and banning customers that look like they're abusing the system, regardless of the truth of the matter. If someone is frequently receiving damaged goods and frequently requesting refunds without returns, that will be flagged for fraud.
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