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>I went and researched this, and found that basically none of the TV brands were anything but creepy on privacy.

Yeah they do. Go to your shopping center or airport and you'll see LG and Samsung displays everywhere. And that's the key word, 'displays' not 'TVs'.

Both sell large displays meant for 100% user ownership with no spyware or mandatory internet connection, you just have to buy those and not their TVs.

The catch? They come at steep prices compared to consumer TVs, unless you can land a deal on the used market. But that's the cost of turning a profit on screens with no spyware and ads.

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The other catch is that those displays are built for heavy duty use, not for picture quality, and as such aren’t going to look as good as even a budget consumer OLED TV.
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Disagree. They look more than fine, much better than the budget TV with their fake saturation turned to 11 out of the box. If you think that looks good you might have gotten used to it.
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Post specs, in my research these types of displays universally prioritise brightness over all other specs.
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https://solutions.lg.com/us/hospitality-tvs/lg-55am960h0ud

Hotel TVs, same panels as consumer models with different supporting hardware and stock calibrations. These are actually dimmer than the consumer models to increase panel longevity.

They tend to lack gaming features like high/variable refresh rate but they're more functional as normal TVs than digital signage displays.

They have similar OSes as the consumer models and can run the same apps but don't have ads unless the operator wants them to and can be centrally managed, support internal IPTV networks, etc.

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The ones the serve menus and the ones that serve eye-level video ads are definitely also built for picture quality. Still IPS for the most part, but uniformity and colour calibration can be movie-worthy
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Not a problem, coming from a 1080p unit haha
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Are you sure those displays have everything needed for a smooth TV experience? Do they have eARC to connect a sound bar, and stuff like that? Modern TVs are also quite good at upscaling 1080/720p content, screens often aren't.

(I don't care about integrated speakers though)

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1080 (even 720 really) is absolutely fine at normal viewing distances for most streaming content.

If you're a videophile you might care. Most people would not notice.

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The pattern of "is feature X supported?" being responded to by "don't worry you don't need it" is so common in tech/OSS forums, and so awful.
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it's funny, I used to think and care about this (or thought I did) back when 1080 was the common thing and 4k was new and exotic, but now I really don't care.

I think what changed was the realisation that even with 4k hardware in theory, what you're actually seeing is so variable based on bandwidth and different services' support for different shows you basically don't know anyway and thus it doesn't really make much sense to care about it.

Besides which, you realise that things that are made to be more enjoyable on 4k, like where that would actually make a difference to how good it is, are probably not that much worth watching anyway outside of demos. Certainly it's not, for example, a factor on which you want to be choosing what series to watch.

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Exactly, streaming video is so compressed that 4k will just let you see all the compression artifacts more clearly.
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Or jailbreak/defang the consumer TVs to have privacy anyway, and teach others how, and screw over the entire profit model of the surveillance-subsidized TVs to force things to be sold at a real cost.
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>Or jailbreak/defang the consumer TVs to have privacy anyway

And how will my 50 year old mom and 70 year old grandpa know how to do that? "Hey Claude scan the wifi for a LG TV, hack it, root it and give me the keys to install what I want, then lock out LG from access it?"

As always, the sane fix is in government legislation and enforcement of privacy regulations. But this isn't happening since knowledge of smart device spyware across politicians and the voting population is small and governments want to use that data dragnet that smart devices enable for their own means.

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"Hey Claude...."

Well, why not?

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"your account has been terminated for violations of our T&Cs"
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I have bad news for you. Those commercial TV-s also phone home if connected to the internet. For software updates, analytics regarding digital signage usage etc.

For a long time they haven't been just dumb displays. They also run Tizen or WebOS for digital signage applications.

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> that's the cost of turning a profit on screens with no spyware and ads.

I don't think that the cost of TVs has gone down when they added spyware and ads.

You could say that that's the cost of turning less profits, rather, and I suspect that TV manufacturers keep the costs of normal displays high just to discourage their purchase by normal people.

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With Amazon Sidewalk I don't think not hooking it up to the internet is an option anymore, unless you live out in the boonies
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> Amazon Sidewalk[0] is a low-bandwidth long-range wireless communication protocol developed by Amazon. It uses Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) for short distance communication, and 900 MHz LoRa and other frequencies for longer distances.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk

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>With Amazon Sidewalk I don't think not hooking it up to the internet is an option anymore

"Anymore"? So far there's no evidence any TVs are using it, so you're safe for now.

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There was no evidence about all the spying until 200,000,000 LG displays were sold.
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it's harder to disguise 900mhz radios in devices because it'll be in the FCC listing.
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"for now"
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New business idea: fitted faraday cages for smart tvs
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In reality that'll never work because the front of the tV needs to be exposed. At best you can make your whole room/house a faraday cage, but that'd be insanely expensive to do correctly. You might think a microwave is a faraday cage, but a phone can still get calls even if you put it inside.
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Some well placed copper tape on the back of the tv will likely get the job done in many cases.
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Or just rm the nic
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Great idea, assuming that doesn't disable the entire system
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Boonies? No. Literally EVERYONE has a damn Alexa and it's on the network. The coverage map is staggering. https://coverage.sidewalk.amazon/
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For those of us that are pickier about UX, even a basic A/V receiver solves this problem.
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Our TV remote can actually control our Apple TV. It's definitely good enough, and through some witchcraft, it works when the TV is not connected to WiFi.
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> It’s a bit annoying if I want to switch to a game console

Yes because you have to fetch a shitty TV remote with buttons inspired by a Boeing 747 cockpit, which must be aimed directly at the TV because it uses shitty infra-red.

Am I close? :)

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Better hope that no guest connects the TV to their phone hotspot to watch their Netflix like one user in a previous post reported happened to them.
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TV manufacturers are not just creepy on privacy. They are outright stalkers.

The whole TV medium was fully and expertly enshittified by advertising decades ago.

The next level is today: Now you buy a giant plastic browser that includes a fully enshittified surveillance OS.

There is even a spec (as yet unused...) for Ethernet over HDMI (HEC , HDMI 1.4). Silicon Image (founder of HDMI) and Broadcom demonstrated the capability to TV manufacturers behind closed doors (says $searchEngine).

Whatever screen you use to watch movies, you will inevitably find your captain's log will contain more joy for the crew by discovering Jellyfin and sailing into deeper waters.

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Just configure your game console to turn on the TV/set the input.
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You avoided hooking your TV to a surveillance capitalism company that trains on your data to manipulate you. Great!

Then you hooked it to an external device of a surveillance capitalism company that trains on your data to manipulate you. Why?

Or plug in a cheap mini PC running a TV friendly Linux distro and give your data to no one.

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Completely wrong. Apple goes to extraordinary lengths, to the point of harming the usability of their products, to protect user privacy and avoid collecting user data.

Apple could easily make tens of billions dollars extra if they spied more on their users.

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Not completely, not anymore. Apple's gotten a taste of advertising dollars via the App store. Search for product A and product B will pay money to come first. Apple TV advertises for the shows they've made in the Apple TV app instead of going to your library. Same for Books.app.

The biggest indightment of Apple in my mind is the copy and pasting of links into iMessage. iMessages "helpfully" renders a preview so a dumb consumer doesn't have to see an ugly long text of a url. But in doing so, it also happens to hides the utm code that is used for tracking by marketers.

They've got their eye on that tens of billion dollars extra.

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While I dislike Apple’s move to ads, I’m at a loss how accepting money to degrade search results is a privacy issue rather than just a UX quality issue. What information is Apple sharing with advertisers?
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Where do they get the data to target the ads?
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Please tell me it’s the search query.
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It is.
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Does Apple sell data on what I’m watching to third parties?

Linux is not a viable option for TV for the vast majority of users. There are no sit back, remote driven apps for the services they use.

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KDE Plasma Bigscreen?
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JellyFin or Plex. Personally i just use a Linux Mint desktop connected to the TV instead. Web browser for streaming and VLC for downloaded videos.

But JellyFin and Plex exist for people who don’t want that.

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What the parent is saying is that the desktop versions of those programs are not remote friendly and the interface is not ideally scaled for 10-foot use. What you want are the Android TV versions, running on Waydroid or an x86 build of Android TV. See my other reply.
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Jellyfin and Plex cannot stream from major streaming providers. Yes, I know the answer is pirating content but that’s a complete paradigm shift compared to what most people are used to. It’s an absolutely enormous extra requirement when you’re suggesting someone switch their TV to Linux.
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Kind of simpler in a way wouldn't it be? One provider vs 8 different streaming providers.
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No one seems to have a problem dealing with multiple streaming providers. They’re essentially just different submenus on the TV app.

Compare that to setting up a home server with a ton of storage, setting up torrenting/newsgroups, software to check for new releases and automatically download them, probably a VPN too… it’s a whole different world.

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Apple is not a “surveillance capitalism company that trains on your data to manipulate you”. The exact opposite, actually.

Source: I work at Apple. The privacy story isn’t just marketing, it’s very real and part of every discussion.

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You know why. Nobody wants to sysadmin their “friendly Linux distro” just to watch shows. Kodi is amateur hour compared to tvOS. Nowhere do people care more that it “just works” than the thing their TV remote talks to.
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Nobody in the general public wants to do that, but I'd think some in the HN audience might feel differently (I mean, setting this up is part of the fun).

Personally, I use an RPi4 with libreelec, and it works great - including responding to my remote via HDMI-CEC. (There's also no need for any sysadmin with libreelec, which is designed to work out of the box.)

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I literally bought a mini PC, installed Arch with KDE via archinstall, installed chromium, and haven't done any "sysadmin" since.

Yes, it "just works". Why wouldn't it?

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You don’t have HDR and can’t pair and then send audio to bluetooth speakers via only the remote in 100 seconds. These basic things are table stakes. It does not “just work”.
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Oh no! It might take more than a minute to connect to my brain rot!
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The standard that the comment you're responding to is that the whole solution must be effortless even for someone with an IQ of 75. Don't try to stoop to their level, no amount of freedom or control justifies any level of effort to people like that. They'd rather have a system that forces them to view and verbally respond to ads every 10 minutes than one that requires them to learn anything more complex than what a toddler can figure out.
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Even smart people have limited time and limited capacity for effort. Failure to Just Work is sand in their gears. Hand-rolled Linux TVs are a nonstarter.
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The fact that Linux is a huge inconvenient waste of time to use for normal tasks has nothing to do with brainrot. You’re moving the goalposts.

You must realize there are things like 3blue1brown, Veritasium, and Numberphile on YouTube, right?

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