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No not really. Most the companies I know that haven't gone full vibes are doing great.

People can and do still write code. Especially in regulated industries. The internet is just full con artists and hype followers not thinking about the future at all.

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I write all my code with LLMs (Opus)

but I can say that, anyone experienced will notice how you really can't just "let them loose" on the codebase because they'll lose context, not understand the architecture, not have good vision/ideas about the codebase etc.

so I'm bottlenecked by following the code generation and then having to review and respond

and there's so many times where I go "wait but can't we just do x?" and then the model goes, "oh let me see.. yes we can"

if you were to just use agents w/o looking at code you'd have complete spaghetti in no time

maybe the future is that you embrace the spaghetti and just treat code as a black box where all you care about is the input/output

but my intuition tells me that it's not really viable yet. you'll take many steps forward and many steps back.

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Hahahahaha it’s like boom and bust, I’m hitting that limit right now with something I’m working on. You push velocity too hard then hit a wall of bugs, then the agent gets a stern talking to and you go back and refactor :)
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I think there’s lots more throwaway code out there than you are imagining.
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> You doing your work manually is like going back to the 90s or further even

Is going back to just a couple of months ago. Jesus.

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I wrote code (I am old) before stack overflow. Google existed, and it was even still in the honeymoon phase where "don't be evil" was almost plausible. But search engines were not yet a good tool for solving esoteric programming questions.

But honestly, the practice of programming then was not dramatically different from programming in, say, the mid-2010s. Obviously we leaned more heavily on the official documentation, and tbf, a lot of the docs were provided in PDFs, which is probably the single worst way to provide documentation.

Sometimes, the docs were provided as collections of papers bound together by a "spine". This is actually a wonderful documentation format because our brains can associate physical locations in the physical media with specific pieces of information.

(this is the oldest I have ever been in my entire life)

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ROFL--I suspect the previous commenter hadn't lived through the 90's, let alone coded in them. You tell 'em!
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If all the professionals leave coding to clankers, and discussions about coding to people who code, I see nothing I don't love about that. Just like the web was more interesting before there was money in it, coding is more interesting without people who can't shut up about their work.
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Don't mix "the HN crowd" with "coder crowd", then everything on this website is becoming clearer...

Most people people here do not code. They wish they do, but they don't.

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code without business is just a puzzle. an IT department exists within a business, it's not adult daycare.
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That's exactly my point, programming isn't your IT department, "cool things that can be done with computers" isn't even on speaking terms with it, and the web is not a sector of marketing, either. Bores turn everything they touch boring, and now they're telling us we'll be left behind. And I'm like, YES, finally, can't wait, what can I do to accelerate it?
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