I present to you "Svalka" wine glasses. Dump", rubbish heap", or easy, promiscuous woman of ill repute in informal Baltic (and Slavic?) slang.
Fun fact: Although "Sarna" comes from Latin, seems like it's only used in Romance languages present in the Iberian Peninsula (Galician, Catalan, Portuguese, Spanish...) and not for example in Italian, Romanian or French, as it's an Iberian loan word. Most other languages derive from another different Latin word, "scabiēs".
but no trash talk, no swear words, nothing gross or offending.
A bed would be a little too on the nose I think.
This procedure does not always work: https://adland.tv/whats-name-case-2351-ikeas-gutvik-bunk-bed
I think "being as widely-understandable pun as possible" is definitely one of their naming priorities.
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/vuku-wardrobe-white-80331973/
Need an end table that is lacking?
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/lack-side-table-white-30449908/
End table? That’s a server rack: https://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/List_of_IkeaRacks
So if you want to follow the lack mods on the web, especially ones written in the 2010s, you need to make sure you strengthen the legs to accommodate the hardware
https://www.printables.com/model/76318-ikea-lack-enclosure-3...
I find this surprisingly high; I guess it’s _products_ and not _names_, meaning that five colors of the same product count as five new products but only one name.
The rubber ducky (yes, they sell one) could be called Bob.
PAX
It reminds some system - they didn’t allow “other” category for sorting features, but someone came with “999” :)
Definately more fun would be the Polish version. How many people can pronounce the BYDGOSZCZ sofa, the PRZEMYSŁAW bookcase and the PSZCZOŁA soft toy?
This may not even be that far off from reality, looking at the sort of names rando brands on Amazon often have...
Rinnig - a kitchen towel called "runny"
Skaftet - a series of standing lamps and lamp stands called "the shaft"
Fejka - plastic plants literally called "to fake"
Knöckla - A garbage bin called "crumple up"
Some I don't get but are still funny
Ostbit - wooden serving tongs called "piece of cheese"?
Which makes it hilarious when she's annoyed at the boy.
(I'd read it as БИЂОШЧ/БИДГОШЧ, ПРЗЕМИСЛАВ and ПШЧОЛА/ПШЧОЉА — you can check on Google Translate if I am close :))
I do believe it is acceptable for software to have playful names. After all, that's how "googling", "tweeting" have entered the vocabulary (and no, nobody is "facebooking"). I am pretty sure global human population is not so dumb to not be able to learn to associate a non-function-reflecting name to its purpose. If anything, it's a marketing thing.
MAUL HALTEN!
But for those in the US, wouldn't it all be a bit familiar? Whenever I watch a movie set in my home country with home accents and locations, it always feels a bit too familiar and it can cheapen the feel a bit.
I was watching Monk recently, and it feels kinda neat seeing a show shot in San Francisco because I used to live there. I wouldn't say it feels "cheap" though.
I mean.. we have the Windsor Chair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_chair) and the Welsh Dresser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_dresser) and those both slightly predate ikea so it's not a new thing.
So that wouldn't be a problem if Polish names would be provided with audio examples.
By the way, the communistic period here was full of products using regular words, name of places or people’s names. We had Wisła, Bieszczady wall units. First Polish color TV was Jowisz (Jupiter); first TV ever my mother had was called Szafir (Saphire). Then Szarotka (elderweis) or Sylwia radios from 50s and 60s respectively. A clone of IBM PC with Intel 8086 (or with Russian clone) from 1986 was called Mazovia - Mazowsze which is a historical region of Poland, same name was also used for DOS encoding for that machine.
I love the JERKER desk that I bought 26 years ago, so I assume this rule must be younger than that.
I heard a guy nearby telling the person with him "must be for the interns".
Took me several seconds to get it.
The same way "Brown" is common surname in English but mostly makes you think of the color first
"Malm" is a a noun with several meanings, most notably "metal ore", but also some (more archaic) meanings like "area with sandy soil" or "city outskirts".
The fact that "Malm" also happens to be a surname is secondary; Swedish has a lot of surnames that are simply ordinary nouns or adjectives. A completely literal "No surnames, ever" rule would probably be quite a bit too restrictive. I suspect that the actual internal rule is "No names that are primarily (or solely) surnames", or something to that effect.
Girl with the dragon tattoo was released in 2005
I guess at the time the name was funny too but I had forgotten it.
For some reason unknown to either of us it really pisses off my wife when I refer to our IKEA furniture by the Swedish names. I think it stems from a deep seated disdain she has for flat pack furniture.
Me: where’s the thing?
Wife: in the white cupboard
Me: which white cupboard? There are 6
Wife: the white cupboard opposite the piano
Me: the Brimnes?
Wife: >.<
Me: it's beside the piano
Her: Which piano?
Me: The Ensoniq upstairs
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/nattbad-bluetooth-speaker-yello...
If that's true, I wonder how many years it will take to use up the remaining unused Swedish words.
The dictionary was started in 1898 and completed in 2023(!)
It's more likely that the whole product catalog contains 2-3k products. [1][2][3] So no, you don't.
[1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/cat/products-products [2] https://lar5.com/ikea (~ 2200) [3] https://namingschemes.com/Ikea_Product_Names (~ 1300)
Why should we treat a minor wiki page and some dude's personal site (who disagree with each other on totals) as authoritative proof Ikea is wrong about it's own catalog? Especially when it's not hard to find 1st/3rd party sources claiming an order of magnitude more products. Keep in mind, some things will also fall off the catalog over time.
Looks like some of these place names have been overpowered in search results by their named-for sofa counterparts! When searching Finnala, Sweden, I essentially only get search results for the sofa, and even the Google AI overview, while admitting it's a locality in Sweden, shows me a picture of the sofa!
You buy something one day, and it starts to deteriorate and become janky after a year, and you'll have a buy a new one. All products have gone through spreadsheet cost optimizations.
It wasn't always like that. If you're lucky to get your hands on an old IKEA bookshelf (Billy), it's sturdy and will last forever.
I also inherited some “regular” living room furniture after my mom passed away. It cost about four times as much as IKEA’s higher-end lines. After moving it from my mom’s place to my office, I can already see it falling apart after just three years (total lifetime as my mom only had it for two). The quality is so shite that I honestly wish my mom had bought IKEA.
In the future, I’ll either buy custom pieces from a furniture maker or choose IKEA's higher end lines for longevity and reusability.
high quality furniture loses most of its value the moment it becomes preowned, so it only makes sense to buy if you are absolutely certain you aren't going to move anytime soon, which is not realistic for most people. Ikea is just good enough.
Funny thing is, I haven't bought much furniture for ages since my old IKEA stuff has lasted for several decades and is still going strong. Their major kitchen appliances are crap, though.
I had a LACK table (9.99 euros at time of acquisition) last for 10 years before a move forced me to give it away. I also have a few random things from them (wooden cutting board, grater, I think a bookshelf) and everything is pretty OK, even the cheap stuff.
https://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/fraeck-mirror-stainless-steel-3...
> How We Leverage Naming
> Our Naming Strategy, Explained
> Why Swedish Is Important
> The Bottom Line
And unforgettable aphorisms like
> It isn't just a name—it is the output of a scalable, globally coordinated, linguistically validated, Swedish-inspired naming framework designed to optimize brand consistency
to let me know? I'm completely lost on this page and can't find the answer without these.
The names just hit different.
https://about.iceland.co.uk/our-story/the-dark-ages/beware-m...
I’m bookmarking it for sharing
Submit it to Hacker News as its own post before I do.
Seriously.
You have one hour.
You have to change letters (e.g. å is not a with an accent. It's a different letter) and read it like you don't know the language.
When all else fails, you can always go back to the basic international language of gesturing, pointing and acting out the use of something to get to your point. (Or more boringly, point at the name on your phone)
You could also try adapting pronounciation to what they might expect first, and then if you establish a friendly conversation, offer the real Swedish pronounciation next.
It sounds like that would be very much what use of Swedish names in a global brand should invite, and not annoyance for Swedes :)
Doesn't really work for the kind of products they sell. E.g. going to the spare parts place and asking for a replacement part for Mörbylånga or Nackanäs. And I don't know the international gesture for a table. Besides, they have many tables.
I don't think saying "Bläddra", and signing that you're flipping through a book, helps at all either.
> You could also try adapting pronounciation to what they might expect
Right. This is what one has to do. But it feels like if you were to go to Russia and slowly and loudly say "I-ski want-ski a-ski table-ski". Except, you know, not offensive because I have the objectively right way to say it and the staff doesn't.
I'm not saying it's hard to do, but since once you know a language you pretty much cannot go back to hearing and reading it as noise, I stand by that it's a bit annoying to need to simulate how someone else would mispronounce it.
And this is unlike someone experiencing their names constantly mispronounced, because the people who get it wrong literally work for IKEA.
For comparison, say there was an English store in Netherlands, and you would have to look at the spelling every time in order to "simulate" which "s" should become "sch" to make the staff understand you. Saying it the dutch way may, to you, become a tongue twister.
> It sounds like that would be very much what use of Swedish names in a global brand should invite, and not annoyance for Swedes :)
You'd think so, but while a great brand, it causes practical annoyances sometimes.
They have a great selection of products. You could say they have a smörgåsbord of products. Or as you'd have to say in English to be understood, a schmoargoesboard.
As much as it may feel that way sometimes, I don't think IKEAs in foreign countries are sovereign Swedish territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_umlaut
> When Mötley Crüe visited Germany, singer Vince Neil said the band could not figure out why "the crowds were chanting, 'Mutley Cruh! Mutley Cruh!'"
But like those German speakers assumed German orthography, English speakers will assume English orthography when presented with Swedish words.
Only foreign words learned by sound have a chance of getting pronounced correctly, e.g. croissant or Djokovic... maybe even Smörgåsbord?
If there were a British furniture shop operating globally and using placenames for products, British people would have trouble asking the locals for HAWICK (hoik), LOUGHBOROUGH (luffburra), FROME (froom) or YNYSYBWL (anissabul)
At least you’re definitely right.
Try speaking or writing English English to US English natives.
(The dialogue goes, "Somewhere deep inside Ikea HQ: How shall we name the lamp?" "GNVÖERK.")
Also, maybe semi-relevant: I made a small guessing game about the IKEA product catalogue in case someone wants to be lightly entertainment for two minutes [1].
Bookshelves → men's names
For Swedes it must be weird to be able to find a product named after yourself and your place!
I’d have guessed they used names that Swedes were less likely to identify with than names of places and people.
Plenty of people named Billy in the English speaking world, too.
We considered using something like what3words[1], but then one bright dev came up with a way of constructing a filename using phonemes derived from the names of Austrian philosophers ..
This worked so well, for some reason - whether selection bias in the list created by the CEO for the purpose (putting that degree to good use, finally), or maybe just because Austrian philosophers all have great names for the purpose.
I confess that I do think about this a lot, as I am lost in the endless maze of Ikea stuff on my way for some meatballs.
Edit: I couldn't resist, it looks something like this:
-- Unique filename generator based on phonemes derived from the top 10
-- most well-known Austrian philosophers (per Pantheon HPI ranking):
-- 1. Ludwig Wittgenstein
-- 2. Karl Popper
-- 3. Martin Buber
-- 4. Paul Feyerabend
-- 5. Josef Breuer
-- 6. Ivan Illich
-- 7. Otto Weininger
-- 8. Alfred Schütz
-- 9. Otto Neurath
-- 10. Jean Améry
--
-- Phonemes / syllable units extracted from the names (approximating
-- German/English pronunciation for pronounceability):
local PHONEMES = {
-- Wittgenstein
"wit", "gen", "stein", "wig", "stein",
-- Popper
"pop", "per", "popr",
-- Buber
"bu", "ber", "bub",
-- Feyerabend
"fey", "er", "a", "bend", "abend",
-- Breuer
"breu", "er", "breuer",
-- Illich
"il", "lich", "ill", "ich",
-- Weininger
"wei", "nin", "ger", "wein",
-- Schütz (approximated without diacritics for filename safety)
"schu", "etz", "schutz", "shuets",
-- Neurath
"neu", "rath", "neur",
-- Améry
"a", "me", "ry", "amer", "ery"
}
--- Generates a unique, pronounceable filename.
-- The random selection of phonemes is seeded from the current timestamp.
-- @param extension (optional) file extension without the leading dot (default: "txt")
-- @param syllable_count (optional) number of phoneme units to combine (default: 3)
-- @return string A filename of the form: <phoneme-combo>.<ext>
function generate_austrian_philosopher_filename(extension, syllable_count)
extension = extension or "txt"
syllable_count = syllable_count or 3
-- Safety: ensure we have at least 2 syllables and a sensible upper bound
if syllable_count < 2 then syllable_count = 2 end
if syllable_count > 6 then syllable_count = 6 end
-- Seed the PRNG from the current timestamp for this generation
math.randomseed(os.time())
local parts = {}
for i = 1, syllable_count do
local idx = math.random(1, #PHONEMES)
parts[i] = PHONEMES[idx]
end
-- Combine into a readable base name (hyphenated for clarity)
local base = table.concat(parts, "-")
return string.format("%s.%s", base, extension)
end
-- Example usage:
-- print(generate_austrian_philosopher_filename())
-- → e.g. "stein-neu-ber.txt"
--
-- print(generate_austrian_philosopher_filename("log", 4))
-- → e.g. "fey-wit-pop-rath.log"
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What3wordsWas very surprised to find things like “bookshelves are all men’s names”, “all names must have ä, å, or ö”, etc.
Complete coincidence that this is #2 today. Had to check that ’NaOH’ wasn’t one of my coworkers
Yes, but why prefer these letters?
I don’t know Swedish. Is it because these diacritics make the names seem more exotic?
By the way, we consider them unique letters, not A and O with diacritics. The Swedish alphabet goes …XYZÅÄÖ.
Oh, and I just learned that we only officially added W in 2006. Before that, it was considered a variant of V. We still pronounce them the same, which is why many swedes will mix them up when speaking English. Mostly in the W->V direction, but I've heard the opposite happen too.
IKEA sold that too: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/306072403869
In Hungarian it's A, Á, B, C, Cs, D, Dz, Dzs, E, É, F... So Cu--- comes before Cs---
At least in Norwegian, ae, oe, and aa is also traditionally collated as if they were using these letters, so a word starting "aa" comes at the end of the alphabet, after z, oe and ae....
A B C Č D Ď E F G H Ch I J…
• „če“ goes after both „ca“ and „ci“, but „ác“ goes between „ab“ and „ad“
• „cha“ goes after „da“ and „ha“
We have one called jysk... They're doing alright.
of course. Haagen Dazs, Motorhead, etc have known it loooong ago
Also, the A is short for Agunnaryd, the founder's hometown. (IK is his initials, Ingvar Kamprad, and E is for Elmtaryd, his family farm.)
Your suggestion sounds a bit like spelling Apple like AIILE and using the circles to form a cool infinity symbol. Or something.
A møøse once bit my sister...
Suck on that, AI Slop Detector!
(Confession and question for dang: I actually used an LLM to generate that unicode composite to copy and paste —̈ is that against HN guidelines?)
The patched version might even work on some Swedish-speakers if you nail the pronounciation! :)
I always thought it's just a natural consequence of using Swedish language, turns out it's on purpose!
Pretty much like when as a kid I learned enough of English to realize all those songs around actually have lyrics, pretty dumb sometimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4si8w8WMFc
(Rob Paravonian - Particle Board) - of Dr. Demento, etc., fame.
https://www.ikeahotell.com/en/about-us/
https://www.fastcompany.com/91529069/what-its-like-to-stay-i...
British lad giving a review/tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trcUc9ILYqI
Any speakers of either language able to confirm or deny?
So when IKEA had Hoven sale - Doprodej Hoven (Excrements sale), people were amused
https://www.lidovky.cz/byznys/ikea-narazila-s-nazvy-vyrobku-...
so much for "Every possible product name is carefully checked to avoid undesirable meanings in other languages"
I'm 100% för this.
Translation:
Somewhere inside IKEA.
- How do we call the table lamp?
- GNVOERKHey Donna [1]...
And also numbers I assume. Does it mean something like “endless stream of numbers”?
I’m very surprised that they have 2000-3000 new products every year. Checking every name against every language of countries they operate in to avoid “bad” names must be a pain.
I'm not aware of any relevant Swedish expression that would repeat the same word like that. Maybe something like "siffror och tal", where both words could be translated as "numbers" by someone not paying attention to the resulting sentence. :)
I’ve seen “LILCHYT” and “MYSHART” on the road recently.
Ikea used to make somewhat reasonable and affordable products, that, in total were much higher quality than their price point suggested.
Now they are just cheap, on almost every metric.
So in the end, hard to say to a seller or type on the part screen the name of what you want. Most of the time you will not be able to remember what was the name of the thing and have to look around and find by categories to find again what you are looking for. And forgot the name already 3 days after. And actually i was multiple time annoyed by that. For example, look at the baby changing table name: ÄLSKVÄRD.
Also, hard to remember/pronounce name make it that often you are lost and confused between multiple names that doesn't make any sense to you like HFEREZR versus HORCRUX.
One case that frustrated me a lot is: good luck finding which white cabinet door you need to buy between VEDDINGE and VALLSTENA that are 99,9% the same, and have the same description on ikea website and shops... In the warehouse you are looking for it, you look for the thing starting with the V, like VA...VII... something, and you find VEDDINGE. Was it this one i needed to be or another name similar?
Also, there is the question of degree of similarity or sound of reading unknown foreign words. If you don't speak ch ok Chinese, a lot of words with different meaning will kind of read or sound the same and it will be very hard to recall and differentiate them.
If I remember correctly, they had a desk named "JERKER" in early 2000s.
That's sexist. Saying women don't read books? /s